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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:15 PM
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Tillers murderer -oh my
Local news released the name Scott Roeder as a "person of interest" in the murder. Could this be the same person??? There is no other info on this site but it seems like quite a coincidence if it is someone else.

From 1997:

July 7, Kansas: Scott Roeder is sentenced to sixteen months in state prison for parole violations following a 1996 conviction for having bomb components in his car trunk. Roeder, a sovereign citizen and tax protester, violated his parole by not filing tax returns or providing his social security number to his employer.


http://www.adl.org/MWD/cocv1n3.asp

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:17 PM
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1. Oh wow. I can hear the scrape of the chairs as the GOP moves away from this shit. NT
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:19 PM
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4. they would if they are smart
with them, who knows?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:43 PM
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37. Pfft. They'll find a way to blame someone else. n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:11 PM
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50. And the sound of dialtones as people are being hung up on.
*Whew* that was close.....
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:03 PM
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53. They are too stupid to realize what this event means to
what's left of their party.

It is up to us to make sure the link between them, the so called religious organizations, media-O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Beck and others is not ignored.

I am watching with great anticipation:popcorn:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:18 PM
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2. It doesn't seem like such a common name,
I'll bet it's the same guy. I wonder what he was planning to bomb in 1996 -- an abortion clinic perhaps or Planned Parenthood?
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:26 PM
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19. You'd be surprised
how many guys are named Scott Roeder in this country. I'm trying to sift out the ones in whom I'm not interested as we speak.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:03 AM
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69. According to HuffPo it is the same man. nt
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AlexanderProgressive Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:19 PM
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3. a "tax protester"
hmmm. i wonder what those teabaggers will have to say about this murderer.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:20 PM
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5. Typical right wing extremist.
Could not be more text-book.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:34 PM
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29. I wonder how many guns he owns? nt
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:23 PM
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51. I'm pretty sure any he owns are illegal
Since he has a prior felony conviction.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:04 PM
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54. I wonder whose books he has sitting around his home?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:13 PM
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57. As a person with a conviction for a violent felony, any he has are illegal.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:20 PM
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6. Local news update
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/breaking/story/George-Tiller-Fatally-Shot-at-Wichita-Church/NoIGaXuul0C-RBrbTPnBjw.cspx

Johnson County Sheriff's deputies stopped Scott Roeder on I-35 between the two main Gardner exits around 1:30 p.m. He surrendered without incident.

According to Lt. Mike Phannestiel, Roeder is on temporary hold for Sedgwick County at the Johnson County New Century Detention Center near Gardner. Roeder is a possible suspect; he not been officially charged.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:22 PM
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10. There is also a link to Scott Roeder on the
Operation Rescue website but it's not accessible at the present time??????



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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:22 PM
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11. Is this him?
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:26 PM
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20. hmm...
his "celebrities" include Dave Ramsey and Glenn Beck. Also, I saw a google link about tax protest in Wisconsin linked to that name. I think it was the court papers I saw...
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:36 PM
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32. That says he's from/in Madison, WI. n/t
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:45 PM
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38. I think
that probably isn't him, though the Glenn Beck part has me seriously concerned LOL
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:46 PM
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39. Good point. Facebook has 18 "Scott Roeders". n/t
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:21 PM
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7. Neanderthal....
Like the rest of the GOP. Amazing! This guys is part of the 20% who still votes GOP.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:22 PM
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8. time to start searching for him on FR
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:24 PM
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12. no thanks
not if you paid me!
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:22 PM
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9. more info
I love The Google! Surprise Surprise the name comes up on Google on a link to....wait for it...Operation Rescue, which of course cannot be accessed now as they are busy scrubbing the site...
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:25 PM
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15. excellent work
I note that he also lived in Shawnee in 2000.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:26 PM
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18. No google cache? n/t
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:31 PM
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26. try the wayback machine
I thik the link is www.waybackmachine.com
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:38 PM
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34. No worries, I posted a screengrab of his warrgarbl above (#27)


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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:38 PM
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35. is that the most recent comment of his?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:43 PM by notadmblnd
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:42 PM
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36. I don't know. But, if he's been thinking about entering the church in 2007 ...
... that would seem to me to be premeditated, right?

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:47 PM
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40. oh yeah, pre meditated for sure
and how much did Troy Newman and his organization encourage him?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:59 PM
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44. Oh, I don't know. But, they seem to believe in the "power" of prayer.
So, I'm going to guess that if they prayed for him, they encouraged him.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:52 PM
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42. I'd say that's our man. No wonder Operation Rescue has their website down.
Somebody in law enforcement needs to grab this guy's computer YESTERDAY.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:03 PM
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45. did you notice the post above his?
The Kinneys Says:

May 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Coming up from Tulsa on Saturday to pray.There are only two of us, but better than none. “Where two or more are gathered, He will be in the midst”, right ? God has Tiller’s number and it won’t be long now.But God expects us to be accountable and pray and do what we can. OR, we pray for you too and thankyou for your hard work and commitment. Never give up!!!!


Note the sentences "God has Tiller's number and IT WON'T BE LONG NOW. But God expects us to be accountable and pray and DO WHAT WE CAN. OR, we pray for you too...."
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:58 PM
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49. Damn, I hope the FBI gathers up they can on that website before it disappears. n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:32 PM
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27. Here's a screengrab of his post on one of their forums ...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:57 PM
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43. "Bleass everyone..."???
Sounds perverted. :shrug:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:25 PM
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13. Makes me wonder if ...



... the local rethuglican committee people have scraped the McCain/Palin bumper stickers off his car yet?



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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:28 PM
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23. well,
they showed the back of the car on the news. He had a Jesus fish and a bumper sticker that said "The Emperor Has No Clothes". That is all I noticed.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:25 PM
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14. If it is the same person
there is not room enough in this universe for them to get away from the shitstorm. They deserve every single piece of

crap dumped on them. People have talked until they are blue in the face about the violent rhetoric. You may not be

able to control what people do, but you damn well can forcefully condemn it. They may now decry the violence, but

where were they before this happened?? It is on their heads.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:25 PM
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16. Uh..think I just found why Operation Rescue site is down...guess what name I found
I googled his name and their group's name...only the cached version would load since their SITE is down now.....

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ZzTSMfjbUlsJ:www.operationrescue.org/pray-in-may-to-end-aboriton-wichita-ks-may-17-20-2007/+%22Scott+Roeder+%22+operation+rescue&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.

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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:27 PM
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21. SAVE THIS!
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:27 PM
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22. A smoking gun for sure.



Good work.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 PM
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24. And O'Reilly's all over that site as well!!!
All the stinkers come home to roost.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:35 PM
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30. you need to post this as an OP
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:35 PM by notadmblnd
it needs to make the greatest page.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:25 PM
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17. Here's a post by Scott Roeder at Operation Rescue site >
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:28 PM by Stephanie
They must be busy scrubbing - here's the cached page:


http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ZzTSMfjbUlsJ:www.operationrescue.org/pray-in-may-to-end-aboriton-wichita-ks-may-17-20-2007/+%22Scott+Roeder%22+kansas&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:33 PM
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28. I posted a screengrab above (#27)
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:36 PM
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33. Asking others to case the joint? n/t
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 PM
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25. He's also a teabagger?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:35 PM
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31. When will the FBI and the Secret Service get up off their thumbs?



Sites like freepville and others are meeting places for RW
extremists who condone murder and other acts of terrorism.
How many others must die before anything is done?



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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:05 PM
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46. Damn Good Question! I think it's clear that we are no longer able to accept...
at face value 'The FBI is engaged in actively tracking (fill in the blank)', that's it? Just sitting there and tracking? Not good enough when in rainbow4321's post #16 above from Roeder himself:

"Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller"

Will be tweezed, spun *and* parsed in fact likely the talking points have already gone out framing this Roeder-lunatic as a conveyor of RW "justice". If these hate-tracking-authorities are willing to just sit there and do nothing while the hate-wing of Amerika runs into churches and murders people on Sunday in front of men, women and children...then they are part of the problem.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:09 PM
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48. No kidding. And the Supremes ruled they don't have to have their lawyers present ...
... during questioning!

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:49 PM
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41. innocent until proven guilty...
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:08 PM
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47. Absolutely. We don't have to change the law to hold Tiller's murder accountable. n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:53 PM
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52. Wow - like nobody could have seen THAT one coming...
Edited on Sun May-31-09 07:57 PM by TankLV
Sure glad our Repuke Fatherland "SS" Security Department & Enhanced WIRETAPPING powered by the Patriot Act is Protecting us!!!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:07 PM
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55. Yea, but they were only spying on liberal groups
not Neo Nazi Christian hate mongering groups like Operation Rescue. I would put a sarcasm smilie but this is the truth.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #52
66. Dr. Tiller was acquitted on March 27, 2009.
I wonder if this was the excuse that will be used, and if so, why wait 2 months?

What else happened since to make the murderer act when he did?

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:10 PM
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56. Can someone grab this asap??
Scott Roeder
Mon September 03, 2007, 09:49:40
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the "lawlessness" which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp "Mengele" of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgement upon our nation.

http://www.chargetiller.com/petition.html?jne19e75ff=70#jotnave19e75ff978adf5f2f83737fafec6bd3
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:24 PM
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59. Got it.


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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:26 PM
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61. this could be him too, but not sure.....
Edited on Sun May-31-09 08:28 PM by boston bean
http://www.newuniversity.org/main/article?slug=anti-abortion_awareness__57

Anti-abortion Awareness
by Scott Roeder
Volume 41, Issue 25 | Apr 21 2008
Wooden crosses adorned with facts about abortion, like the one above, covered a grassy portion of Aldrich Park on April 7 to raise abortion awareness among students. At the event, organized by Students for Life at UC Irvine, members of the community shared reasons why they would not terminate a pregnancy.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:45 PM
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62. Probably not. That's in Irvine, CA, where ...
... a guy named Scott Roeder is a photographer for the University there.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=7101

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:55 PM
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64. here's another for capture...
Kansas City
Missouri Scott Roeder
Tue March 13, 2007, 20:26:48
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PUT THIS MONSTER TILLER BEHIND BARS WHERE HE CAN'T MURDER ANY MORE OF OUR MOST INNOCENT UNBORN BABIES, WHO HAVE NO VOICE!!! WHERE ARE THE WILBERFORCES WHO WILL SCREAM OUT UNTIL THIS INJUSTICE RESTS ?!!! AS THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID, "I TREMBLE THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS JUST AND THAT HIS JUSTICE WILL NOT WAIT FOREVER!!! PUT THIS HEINOUS BUTCHER BEHIND PRISON WALLS IN HOPES THAT THIS NATIONS' JUDGEMENT WILL STAVED OFF. ONE OF THE SEVEN THINGS OUR HEAVENLY FATHER HATES IS THE SHEDDING OF INNOCENT BLOOD !!! HEAVEN HELP US !!! US !!!

http://www.chargetiller.com/petition.html?jne19e75ff=576#jotnave19e75ff978adf5f2f83737fafec6bd3
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:27 PM
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67. Damn! Site's down. n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:18 PM
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58. Well, in light of this news I retract what I said. This is indeed terrorism.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 08:19 PM by Gregorian
Edit- IF guilty.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:25 PM
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60. deleted, I read the OP wrong
Edited on Sun May-31-09 08:26 PM by stevedeshazer

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:48 PM
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63. car complete with jesus fish natch



Relatives identified him as Scott Roeder. Roeder's uncle, Clarence Roeder, issued a statement Sunday evening.

"This is a tragedy for the Tiller family and we feel so badly about that, that Scott would murder the doctor in the Lutheran church. We are also Lutherans, and that adds a double touch of sadness and irony."

http://www.kmbc.com/news/19615730/detail.html#
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:00 PM
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65. finding some stuff in Kansas City Star archives
(but not buying the articles):

1. Kansan ordered not to contact 'freemen'
The Associated Press
TOPEKA - A man the FBI identified as a member of the anti-government ``freemen'' group has agreed to stay away from other members as a condition of his probation for an explosives violation.

Scott P. Roeder, 38, of Silver Lake, Kan., was sentenced Friday to 24 months of intensive-supervision probation. That means that he could have to report to his probation officer every day.

Shawnee County District Judge James P. Buchele ordered Roeder as a term of his...

Published on 1996-06-23, Page B3, The Kansas City Star

Alleged Freemen member appears in court
The Associated Press
TOPEKA - An alleged member of the Freemen group was polite and subdued Wednesday during his first court appearance.

Scott P. Roeder, 38, of Silver Lake, Kan., thanked Shawnee County District Judge James J. Macnish at the conclusion of the hearing, which lasted less than three minutes. Roeder participated over closed-circuit television from a room in the Shawnee County jail.

Roeder was arrested about noon Tuesday when Shawnee County sheriff's deputies found ammunition and a...

Published on 1996-04-18, Page C9, The Kansas City Star

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:35 PM
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68. OK. Time for all of these lynch mobbers to stand up in public in support of this murder.
If they really believe murdering a doctor is OK< then let them stand up and be counted for it.

Otherwise, I want them shut up.

This will not help their cause one bit.
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