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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:04 AM
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March 2009: -650,000 jobs.... March 2010: +162,000 jobs

Stimulus package worked (working).


What will the the GOP run on this fall?


What will the "let it fail" doom-and-gloomers here at DU whine about?



To the first question: Same old, same old. Gays, guns, and God.


To the second question: Here's the "yeah buts" you'll see at DU in this thread and others:

"yeah, but the REAL unemployment rate is higher"

"yeah, but it's just a single month trend. We're going into a double-dip recession soon, I just know it."

"yeah, but it's only government jobs. It's not real."

"yeah, but we're still being led by a corporatist President who's just like Bush."


yeah-but, yeah-but, yeah-but.....
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:10 AM
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1. To gays guns and God, I think we need to add Black President..
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 AM
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2. The Unemployment Rate In FL Is > 12%
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
I am surrounded by people who worked hard and played by the rules and lost everything or are in danger of losing everything;myself and fiancee included. It does seem the macroeconomic situation is improving but even the most sanguine observers believe historically high levels of unemployment will become a staple of American life.

However, I don't blame President Obama. I blame capitalism.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:12 AM
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3. No complaints here
:hi: As far as the real unemployment rate - the real unemployment rate has always been a factor, but only a big deal since Pres. Obama became president. Apparently. When I was unemployed in the 90's and 2000's, I never saw a big f'ing deal made out of the REAL unemployment rate.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:13 AM
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It IS a BFD. This mess is NOTHING like previous recessions.
It is vastly WORSE. Obama's inaction has little to do with.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:24 AM
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10. Of course it is worse. Our entire financial system nearly
collapsed, or it would have been a depression. My husband and I are in our mid-50's, we have both been unemployed in every decade. The early 80's was really bad in Pgh.when the steel industry collapsed.(Thank you Ronald Reagan)- as bad as Detroit now, maybe even worse. I can remember living in Houston in 1980-1982 and the interest rate to purchase a house with a fixed 30 year mortgage was 11%!

If you're saying Pres. Obama has done nothing about the economic crisis, I don't understand your premise. What do you think he should do to create jobs?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:21 AM
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7. During the 70's and 80's all of us on unemployment were considered welfare queens
At least that what they kept telling us.

And unemployment extensions were never no sure thing either. The Republicans acted like they were throwing around manhole covers when it came time to trying to get some small change out of them for that. I ran out a lot of times.

I was a laid off autoworker and my neighbors were buying imported cars. Now their kids can't find a job and they can't figure out why. Its a mystery to them.

Don
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:28 AM
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13. I know. We kept our food stamps card from 1974 as a reminder
of where we were financially in those years. We've lived all over the country chasing jobs. As Pres. Clinton said, "I feel your pain." I'm the daughter/Granddaughter and niece of steelworkers (all RIP now), we've seen plenty of pain in our lives. Billy Joel's song "Allentown" was a reality for us. College degrees, couldn't stay in Pgh. and off we went to all corners of the US.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:12 AM
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4. Nevada's is over 13 percent, with Lyon County up in the 19 percent range. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:13 AM
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5. census workers?
The next couple of months and the graduations in May will tell us if this is real or imagined?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:23 AM
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9. Nope... only 39,000 of the 162,000 are government jobs

This is the PRIVATE sector heating up.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:17 AM
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6. Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope n/t
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:21 AM
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8. Economy Improvement deniers...use same arguments as global warming deniers.
Because your state still has employment problems doesn't mean that job numbers nationwide are not signs of improvement. They look at the hole system not one part of it.

Posting state or local unemployment numbers is the same type of argument posted by global warming deniers.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:27 AM
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11. Just like the ones saying "Its snowing here so that proves Gore was wrong"
You nailed it.

Don
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:30 AM
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15. Nobody Is Denying There Has Been Improvement At The Macroeconomic Level
But, again, it's of cold comfort to folks who have lost everything or about to lose everything in this economy.

And, again, I don't blame President Obama, I blame capitalism,

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:35 AM
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18. But you see the posters point though don't you?
The economy is no where close to where I want it either. But nothing is going to happen overnight. It never did for me when I was out of work during the recessions I have lived through anyway.

Don
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:35 PM
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22. I'm unemployed in California, no, it isn't where I want it...but...
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 03:36 PM by Ozymanithrax
every time someone posts some sign that the economy is getting better we get all these posts that have the affect of refuting things with bogus reasoning.

I see the same thing in Global warming deniers. A cold day in Pussyhump West Virgina is proof positive that global warming isn't happening. In this thread alone, there have been people saying that the + number doesn't take into account the amount of jobs needed. We should all be able to recognize that things are getting better without feeling the need to go into economy change denial.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:27 AM
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12. Nobody Is Denying There Has Been Improvement
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 10:27 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
But historically high unemployment has unfortunately become a staple of national life, ergo:

"The economy must create at least 100,000 jobs each month just to absorb new entrants into the labor force, let alone provide a livelihood for the nation’s 15 million people already looking for work.

That sustained level of growth may not come until later this year, economists said, making pervasive unemployment a virtual certainty for some time to come.

Indeed, the government predicts the jobless rate will average 9.8 percent next year and 8.4 percent in 2012 before falling to 5 percent in 2016. The rate was 4.7 percent in November 2007, the month before the recession began. "





http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/business/economy/03jobs.html
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:30 AM
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14. I'm happy with how Obama is doing. He's not perfect. I don't agree with
his EVERY move. But he is several orders of magnitude better than what we had to deal with under Bush.

I don't expect perfection from my president. I'd only be disappointed no matter who it was. And I don't whine about not getting my pony before everybody else.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:32 AM
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16. 48,000 census workers, and 40,000 other temp jobs are in that figure and wages have dropped.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

Still, more Americans said they were working part-time even though they preferred full-time work. When they and discouraged workers who have given up searching for jobs are included, the "underemployment" rate ticked up to 16.9 percent from 16.8 percent.

And average hourly earnings fell by two cents to $22.47. That shows that high unemployment is enabling companies to hold down wages. Average weekly earnings rose by about $3 to $629.37, partly reflecting the longer work week.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:32 AM
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17. Looks like the Bush economic plan is just kicking in
That real Clinton effect didn't hit until late 2007. Now the Bush counter measures are finally coming to the fore.
(sent from a black berry at the Voyeur's Lounge)
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:40 AM
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19. Hey is that you over by the bird cage, I'm over here by the pole dancer.
:hi:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:48 AM
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21. I'm thinking of jumping in the cage. Think I'll have another beer first
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:41 AM
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20. Don't these figures include the 700,000 temp Census jobs? Maybe that was last month
I dunno. I hear conflicting reports about the jobs this month, including March '09 was the one of the worst months ever and that by comparison, just about anything looks good.

I hope this is a good sign, but with all the people I know out of work and still not working, plus those about to lose their jobs, I have a hard time seeing this as coming home to roost.
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