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CornerBar Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:08 AM
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Out-Republicaning the Republicans- Obama Revives Clinton's Disastrous Triangulation Strategy
Out-Republicaning the Republicans
Obama Revives Clinton's Disastrous Triangulation Strategy
by Ted Rall

"It was Bill Clinton who recognized that the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems," President Obama wrote in his book The Audacity of Hope. "Clinton's third way...tapped into the pragmatic, non-ideological attitude of Americans."

Clinton's "third way" was "triangulation," a term and strategy invented by his pollster Dick Morris. Triangulation is a candidate's attempt to position himself above and between the left and the right. A Democrat, Clinton insulated himself from Republican attacks by appropriating many of their ideas.

Obama is even more of a triangulator than Clinton.

Triangulation can work for candidates in the short term. Clinton got reelected by a landslide in 1996. (It failed, though, for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.) But triangulation hurts parties, which sell an ideological point of view. Clinton worked so hard to out-Republican the Republicans that he forgot he was a Democrat . He also forgot that Democratic voters expected to see liberal policies.

Clinton's greatest achievements ended up being Republican platform planks: free trade deals like NAFTA and the WTO, welfare reform, balancing the federal budget on the backs of the poor and working class.

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/01-6
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:16 AM
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1. Ted Rall; has anyone ever made this guy happy, about anything? nt
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:20 AM
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3. I think he was happy about 9/11, but that's about it nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 05:46 PM
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20. "He was happy about 9/11"??? WTF are you babbling/lying about??
:thumbsdown:

:puke:
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CornerBar Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:22 AM
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4. Personal happiness
or personal dismay is irrelevant to politics. That is not a political discussion when one merely addresses subjective and speculative character traits.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:23 AM
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5. Regardless who is at the helm, rall rails. And I see you're
looking all around to find the most inflammatory anti-Obama posts. Good luck with that.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 12:31 PM
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12. Don't you have some cut & pasting to do?
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 12:32 PM by bahrbearian
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:54 PM
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17. that is just one nasty, ugly comment.

:thumbsdown:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:32 AM
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8. "subjective and speculative character traits." Just SOP around here. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:20 AM
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2. u can tell he is not a true believer of the infallible leader school lol nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:26 AM
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7. True dat. nt
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:24 AM
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6. I thought "Triangulation" was the method used to assinate JFK.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:37 AM
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9. Bill Clinton never forgot he is a Democrat.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:08 PM
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14. Right, 'cause throwing millions out of work, throwing mothers into the minimum wage hell
they live in now, allowing huge corporations to monopolize any and everything they wanted, are all well-known Democratic principles.
:eyes:


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:11 PM
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16. He never forgot he's a DLC member.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:47 AM
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10. But..but..caving to the Republicans is the "smart", "practical", way of selling out.
Clinton was an amateur compared to Obama when it came to claiming Republican policies as his own.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 12:26 PM
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11. +1
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 12:31 PM
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13. Who did credit card reform? I forget...
..Remember when you could deduct inerest you paid on your credit cards and car loans?

Then the fat cats decided they needed more money.. so they tightened the screws on working people a little more...upped the interest and took away the deduction... real rocket scientists..
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:10 PM
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15. all the above ad hominem notwithstanding,
Rall is right. Obama is just Clinton II. He's superficially better than a rapublican, but things are still moving in exactly the wrong direction.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:57 PM
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18. agreed with everything you said, except one thing

- i think he's WAY worse than Clinton.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:35 PM
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21. I find myself thinking that, also
Although, I have to say that might be due to how many hours I was working during the Clinton years. I just may not have been as tuned in to it, then.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:59 PM
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19. So If "Clinton insulated himself from Republican attacks" and
"Obama is even more of a triangulator than Clinton. "


Then it stands to reason that Obama is more insulated from Republican attacks than Clinton was.



How's that insulating triangulation thingy working out for ya?
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