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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:14 PM
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'Confederate History Month' Declared By Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell
'Confederate History Month' Declared By Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell

First Posted: 04- 6-10 03:29 PM | Updated: 04- 6-10 03:43 PM

Virginia's Republican Governor Bob McDonnell has declared April to be "Confederate History Month," the first time in 8 years that such a proclamation has been issued in the state.

In the statement, McDonnell says that the Confederate history "should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered," and that its leaders "fought for their homes and communities and Commonwealth in a time very different than ours today."

-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/confederate-history-month_n_527363.html


Courting the Af Am & Secessionist vote. What an asshole!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:15 PM
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1. Wow!!!!
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:15 PM
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2. I am so sick of this confederate-apologist bullshit.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:16 PM
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3. Argh. I live in Virginia and am saddled with him as our Governor. Argh! n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:17 PM
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4. That governor is a real piece of ..... something.
nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:22 PM
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11. The Attorney General is WORSE. nt
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:18 PM
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5. They should be rememberd for the treasonous losers that they were...
They lost, that's their heritage.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:20 PM
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8. +1000000
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:19 PM
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6. I hope Sheila Johnson
is happy for supporting this creep in the election.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:22 PM
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10. I hope all those that DIDN'T bother to vote in '09 feel guilty now. nt
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:19 PM
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7. It takes an entire month to say "they lost?"
I do agree with Gov Assrabbit on one point, though, although I suspect the agreement is coincidental and he didn't really have Santayana in mind when he said history "should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered." And in this case, deplored. Right Gov? Right?

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:20 PM
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9. THIS is why all those folks that voted in '08 and didn't in '09 should feel guilty. nt
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:59 AM
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30. It's Not Disillusioned Democrats' Fault That Virginia Is a Redneck's Paradise.
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 09:59 AM by Toasterlad
If the Democrats would field a strong Progressive, they'll get the Democratic vote. If they don't, they won't. It's that simple.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:17 AM
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31. You clearly don't understand a thing about VA's electorate, or why the Dems lost there. n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:23 PM
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12. I find this so weird -- it's so out of sync.
It's about being 'in your face' not pride or remembrance.

If it was those things they'd get their history right more along
the line of the Germans.

This unsustainable fantasy.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:24 PM
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13. Here's a brief history.
In the South:

Rich white guys: The industrial North is infringing on our slave economy. Wha-a-a-a-h!

Poor white guys: We like slavery despite the repression of our wages because we can say we are better than slaves and because of god and stuff.

John Brown: Let 'em all go!

White guys: hang him!

Media: We project Abraham Lincoln has won the presidency.

White guys: Oh Noes! We revolt!

Lincoln: You generals are really screwing up!

White guys: We lost. Noes!!!!

The North: Let's be friends, right after we steal from you.

White guys: Go fuck yourself.

Black guys: Now I am share cropper. Not much better.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:35 AM
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28. Should have Reduced Shakespeare Co produce that
:D

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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:26 PM
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14. The civil war did not start because of slavery.
It started because of the idea of jury nullification and a state's ability to nullify an act of congress (mostly the latter).

Don't forget that when Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation there were draft riots and riots and mass desertions.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:32 PM
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15. Whatever the specific legal issue...
...slavery was the ultimate cause. It was a struggle between the industrial North and the argarian, slave-supported South. Their economic systems were incompatible because of slavery. Their goals for Western expansion were incompatible because of slavery. The South's views on state sovereignty, especially on the issue of slavery, were incompatible with the Federal system. Whatever specific legal justification was used as a pretext, the purpose of the rebellion was to preserve slavery.
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:39 PM
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17. That's why reconstruction ended so well right? Johnson was Lincoln's VP.
The war was fought over state's rights, whatever the pretext. I'm not glossing over the abomination that was(is) slavery, but the war was extremely much more broad than that. Read the newspapers of the day.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:42 PM
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19. Why would that have ensured a smooth reconstruction?
With respect, the newspapers of the day were about as well-informed as news media is today.
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:47 PM
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20. Because if federal troops...
were allowed to enforce the congressional bills passed after the war than we would be 50 years ahead in civil rights. Just another good point in having a republic rather than a confederacy of states. Unless the republic is a fat swollen mass of corporate whores. :shrug:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:49 PM
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22. Bullshit.
There were many justifications made, but the ONLY ONE that would prompt the south to secede and start a war with the north was slavery.

There was NO other issue that would rally the troops, that any of them would think worth fighting and dying for.

The civil war in Kansas was not over tariffs state's rights or any other nonsense - it was about Kansas being a free state or a slave state. The red legs and bushwackers were fighting it out for years before Lincoln was elected.

It was always about slavery. Any suggestion otherwise is just re-writing history by fucking traitors.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:51 PM
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24. no, it was about slavery and secession. don't forget that.
The American Civil War (1861–1865), also known as the War Between the States as well as several other names, was a civil war in the United States of America. Eleven Southern slave states declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America or CSA (the Confederacy). Led by Jefferson Davis, they fought against the United States (the Union), which was supported by all the free states and the five border slave states.

In the presidential election of 1860, the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, had campaigned against the expansion of slavery beyond the states in which it already existed. The Republican victory in that election resulted in seven Southern states declaring their secession from the Union even before Lincoln took office on March 4, 1861. Both the outgoing and incoming US administrations rejected the legality of secession, considering it rebellion.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 04:13 PM
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25. This is simply a lie and distortion of history. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:28 AM
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26. the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery
Why the Civil War Was Fought, Really
By Fredric Smoler



Was it just about slavery? A historian provides an answer.
A great many Americans still debate the origins of the Civil War in the same terms as a century or more ago. People say the war was not “about” slavery; it was about economics, or “states’ rights,” or elemental Southern nationalism. Those who insist that the war wasn’t about slavery tend to do so with the conviction that they are talking to naive and moralistic innocents. The historian Chandra Manning, who has met a lot of these people, has just published What This Cruel War Was Over: Soldiers, Slavery, and the Civil War (Knopf, 350 pages, $26.95), and in it she investigates what the men who actually fought the war believed they were about.

She has looked at a remarkable wealth of letters, diaries, and regimental newspapers, assembling data on what 657 Union soldiers and 477 Confederate soldiers thought they were doing over the four years of combat, rather than what some of them wrote in hazy, embittered, or sentimental retrospect. She is perfectly aware that soldiers do not all think the same thing; she knows that their views alter over time (she traces that evolution with great care and subtlety); and as a rule she does not count something as a representative view unless the soldiers who held it outnumbered dissenters by at least three to one.

Her conclusion is that the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery, and that we should take their word for it.

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http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/web/20070503-civil-war-chandra-manning-slavery.shtml
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:38 AM
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29. Oh sure.
Kind of like how WWII was really the War of Allied Aggression.

:crazy:
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:34 PM
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16. Not long ago these "rebels" liked to tatoo themselves
with a "Born to Lose" brand.
Still holds true today.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:41 PM
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18. 'Nazi History Month' Declared By German Chancellor Angela Merkel
Germany's CDU Chancellor Angela Merkel has declared April to be "Nazi History Month," the first time in 65 years that such a proclamation has been issued in the Federal Republic.

In the statement, Merkel says that Nazi history "should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered," and that its leaders "fought for their homes and communities and Fatherland in a time very different than ours today."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/nazi-history-month_n_527363.html

Funny. The link is clearly wrong, but goes to the same article as the OP.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:48 PM
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21. ...as if it was a good thing?
when i moved to the south i was amazed how much the civil war was still on folks minds....
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 03:50 PM
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23. I am sure Tourism of the Battlefields must be
a boost for Virginia's economy. This to me is like the celebration of the Lousiana purchase campaign. There is nothing wrong with holding true to our history, and the Civil War was a big part of that history. On the Other hand, you should not be holding up the Confederacy like a prize. To Celebrate the secession of Virginia from the Union falls into the later category. :thumbsdown:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:33 AM
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27. These people can't tell right from wrong or good from bad.
When it comes to morality they run completely contrary to to most peoples concepts.
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