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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:26 PM
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Why I Stay: A Parable From A Progressive Catholic
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 07:38 PM by onehandle
Of the fate of contemporary Catholics, Flannery O'Connor once said that we must suffer at least as much from the Church as for it. Certainly, the past weeks have been a cause for suffering for Catholics of all political stripes, but the suffering takes on a particular flavor for progressives. We are deluged by questions from those who think of themselves as our colleagues and comrades. Actually, only one question: "How can you still stay in the Church?"

When I answer, I insist that the terms be defined properly. It is an error of vocabulary to assume that "the Church" is a direct synonym for "the hierarchy," "the bishops," "the Vatican." Those of us of a certain age remember traveling abroad during the Vietnam years when we would be asked, "How can you still call yourself an American?" Our answer was: we are not the White House. We are not the Pentagon. We are the people protesting; America is larger than your words suggest. Why must I believe that the church is Pope Benedict and not the courageous nuns who took real risks to defy the American bishops on health care in the name of the poor whom they serve? Some say we owe the passage of health care to these brave women; their position would not have been so effective if they had been speaking not as nuns, whose lives had been dedicated to the Church, but, say, as a group of nurses or social workers. The Church has a very long history; this history includes a fair share of scoundrels; it also includes those whose heroism was achieved despite the opposition of the official Church: Joan of Arc and Oscar Romero, to name only two.

(parable available here on Huffington Post) snip...

How do some of us stay in the Church? In grief, in sadness, with a resolve not to be shut out by those who say they are speaking in the name of the Father. We just don't believe them. The Church is not an institution; it is the people, people who are now wounded and scandalized, not only by the sexual crimes of priests, but more important, by the cover-up by those in power. In 1959 the election of Pope John XXIII was a surprise, a kind of miracle. It happened once. It could happen again. We wait, in stubborn hope, for the return of miracle. We want to make sure some of us are at home when it happens.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-c-gordon/why-i-stay-catholic_b_526812.html
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:07 PM
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1. i stay
because of all the good works that my parish and diocese do.
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:15 PM
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3. Really, tell me then, how much good was done to lie about the effectiveness of condoms in Africa?
Or funding efforts to abolish SSM in various States, or refusing to dispense emergency contraceptives in emergency rooms of Catholic Hospitals for rape victims. Not to mention the many decades of covering up for pedophile priests and bishops, a criminal conspiracy, no less. How does it feel to fund and support all this?
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:24 AM
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10. Our parish and diocese
put up, at last count, north of $500,000 and 10 volunteer doctors towards Haitian relief efforts.

so we put our time, treasure and talent where our mouths are.

as to the other things, I am guessing you didn't read or understand the difference between the individuals who make up the Catholic faith and the hierarchy of the Church.

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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 04:29 PM
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11. Hmm, the laity financially support the hierarchy.
Unless you belong to one of those diocese that broke with Rome completely, some money from it goes to funds things as I stated, your parish doesn't exist in a vacuum after all.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:56 AM
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13. ok
at our next meeting I will say that Cleobulus says that we should break with Rome and the local diocese because he doesn't like the Catholic hierarchy...I am sure that they will take your sage advice.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:38 PM
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14. Touchy.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:48 PM
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5. +1
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:08 PM
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2. Those who give the Catholic Church money are supporting bigotry and child rape.
Those who give the Catholic Church money are supporting "the hierarchy," "the bishops," "the Vatican," and the cover ups.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:42 PM
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4. Um, dupe?
And yes, that DOES have a double meaning...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:57 PM
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6. 'We wait, in stubborn hope, for the return of miracle.' - it would take one.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:03 PM
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7. Rationalization for funding bigotry and child abuse
And that is all it is. Those who pay for the crap done to the rest of us by this set of slander mongering thugs are culpable, and no 'parable' or delusions of 'miracle Popes' will make it otherwise. I find this to be vulgar and self serving in the most extreme possible way. The person who wrote this is a bad person who harms real people for the sake of a bunch of mumbo jumbo.
I feel dirty having read the words of this Gordon person.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:17 PM
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17. Then you don't understand the way it is.
I grew up Catholic and, at times, was even pretty devout. It wasn't the cabal in Rome that mattered, it was the teachings and beliefs each person held dear. Non-Catholics simply cannot understand what some things (i.e. "Sacraments") mean to Catholics.

With that said, I do think Catholics who are sickened by this (and I'm hoping that's all of them) would with-hold funds. Catholics can practice their faith quite effectively without bringing filthy lucre into it. And buy that would send one loud and clear message.

Julie
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:13 PM
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8. Even back in 1959 the Catholic Church was covering up for child abuse...
where was the Miracle for the victims then?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:24 PM
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9. Sounds like Battered Wife Syndrome!
:puke:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 04:31 PM
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12. It is like those who say they will leave the US
The US or the church are too large and have been around too long, to judge just on the negatives. Any other country or church has negatives, too.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:41 PM
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15. If he chooses to stay, he needs to push for major reforms...
That is the internal debate I am having as a catholic.
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waiting Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:58 PM
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16.  OP ,I find that to be a cowardly position
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 06:00 PM by waiting
Every dollar that goes into the collection plate benefits the Vatican and allows for the hierarchy to continue with it's corrupt and criminal behavior. Be religious all you like, but to support this by remaining a member of that institution, yes, it is an institution, means that you are complicit in it's corruption and criminal activities.
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