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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:09 AM
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A Question For Rush
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 06:19 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
I was sitting in my car while waiting for my fiancee to get out of a job interview. ( Did I tell you the job environment sucks?) So I am listening to Rush to kill time and he's going off on Chris Matthews. Somebody should put up the money to have a debate between the two of them and give the proceeds to charity. Whatever you think about Tweety he's the greatest of debaters; the rare person who can take either side of an argument and win. Who can forget the way he undressed Michelle Malkin coming from the left and Dennis Kucinich coming from the right (Sorry).

Anyway Rush was quoting Matthews as saying the progressive blogosphere for all its strengths doesn't do a good enough job in showing how the welfare state , i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, et cetera make America a more tolerable place and in their absence we would have a society like Calcutta where you have to walk over beggars and sick and dieing people to get to work. That sounds like a compelling case to me. Rush then said that those on the left have to hide their true intentions to get elected and if Obama ran on a platform of expanding the welfare state he would have got 30% of the vote.

I would ask Rush if McInsane/Failin ran on a platform of dismantling the welfare state what percentage of the vote does he think they would get? My hunch is < 20%
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:16 AM
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1. Rushbo's Greatest Cop Out...You Will Never Vote For Him
Remember, Rushbo claims he's an entertainer, thus what he says somehow has less culpability or liability as the only people he has to answer to are his advertisers and the stations that carry his swill-fest. He's been given a lofty perch by the large broadcast corporates where he is almost invinsible from being held responsible and accountable cause his managers know that the more outrageous he gets, the more people tune in (just like you did) and they can try to cash in on one of the few remaining programs that generate a few sheckles for a descimated radio industry. If anything, the poor state of the industry encourages Rushbo to go even further over the edge.

The politicians who glam onto Rushbo are also short-sighted. Many are from safe rushpublican areas who, like Rushbo, know they have a wide range of latitude with their constituents and are making the most of their "limelight" especially in a party in total disarray. Right now this isn't about winning elections (despite the spittle they spew) but to control what's left of the rushpublican party.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:20 AM
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2. Except I Don't Buy Anything Advertised On His Show
I make a point not to.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:26 AM
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3. I Don't Even Listen To The Station He's On...
Yes, I avoid any advertiser I know supports hate radio with their dollars. Sadly, despite radio revenues falling 20% or more for each of the last five years (and why many radio companies are in Chapter 11 or close to it) the corporates will fire a local host to make sure the Rushbo show (that costs stations nothing to air) gets more "affiliates". He's now considered a promotional "asset" as one of the few radio personalities left that get any attention (when's the last time you heard much from Howard Stern). To desperate radio owners, Rushbo is their lone superstar...their franchise.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:15 AM
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8. I did that also
I used to listen to kmod, tulsa ok from day one back in the '70s when they changed their format to rock and roll, nothing but album cuts, Then somewhere along the line they were acquired by clear channel, I haven't listened to them since. I may have listened to a whole minute of pedoboy so all I know about him is what I read on the internets. I can point out each of my friends and or acquaintances who are listeners even when they deny it as pedoboys insanity comes through in what they say or in how they say what they say.
Funny thing is I still have one of my old lawnmowers, longtime broken, that has a kmod sticker on it that I put on it years ago. I have it parked way back by the back fence and over the years the vines have pretty much covered it over. As I mow past it sometimes I get a glimpse of the kmod sticker an it always takes me back to those days of yesteryear before they were bought by clear channel
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:16 AM
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4. I only have one question for RUSH
"Why the fuck are you still in America?"

He promised to leave if Health Care passed but he is still here!
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:46 AM
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5. I think you would be surprised
If everybody was given the choice to participate or not AND all those who have already paid were grandfathered in, I think you would be surprised at how many would 'opt out' of all those programs.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:52 AM
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6. Until their for-profit alternative went bust and fleeced them. Then they would cry Take Me Back!
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:16 AM
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9. I agree
they would definetely be thinking twice about their decision IF it went bust. I don't think living in fear of an IF would be enough to make them change their minds though.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:32 AM
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10. How Many 65+ People Would Give Up Their Medicare?
In that age group your premiums would be $2,00.00 a month.

And how many people would give up unemployment insurance?
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:44 PM
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11. No 65+ would give up
their Medicare, because they have already paid for it. An opt out option would not help them so I doubt they would have any reason to do so.

And, if it meant a pay raise, many people would decide against paying their part for unemployment insurance, in a heartbeat.

A larger paycheck and the belief that one can do a better job than govt, is why I don't think what Rush said will hurt him any.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:46 PM
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12. They Paid A Fraction Of What Their Medicare Cost
That's why it's running such a huge deficit.

I think my mom paid $70.00 a month for her Medicare.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:12 PM
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13. No
they paid for what their Medicare MAY cost, IF they need it. It is running such a huge deficit because it is not ran properly.
And how many people do you know who would not want an immediate monthly pay increase of $70?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:31 PM
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14. It's Running A Large Deficit Because The Premiums Are Subsidized
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 01:31 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
And the $70.00 is what her premium was.

And since she was a homemaker much of her career I doubt she paid all that much in withholding.

What percentage of those on Medicare do you think would opt of the program if they could?
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:12 PM
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15. Very few
who are currently on Medicare would opt out because they have already paid for it. Same with Social Security. The one's who would opt out would be those just beginning and who are still working. I wouldn't be surprised if that number would be 40+ percent.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:57 AM
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7. Limbaugh isn't going to debate anyone.
Take away his total control of the conversation (he can silence the person on the line at anytime), and his idiocy shines through. I've heard a high school kid dismantling rush's arguments on his radio show 'til rush cut him off - when you're on the line w/Limbaugh, he can cut you off without you knowing it, he then "demolishes" your argument leaving you "speechless."
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