I am prepared to say that not all the anti-Tiger sentiment is driven solely by racism

But reading a lot of it in the press and the ilk, one cannot come to the conclusion that a lot of the anti-Tiger sentiment is driven by race.

It really is sickening.

media frenzy. I. do. not. care. -and, I don't think most people care either.

Tiger's earned himself a lot of jealousy over the years by being so freakin' unworldly on the golf course.

I've read that sportswriters sat on the story for years in order to stay in his good graces.

Truthfully? He had this coming, and it has nothing to do with his talent on a golf course. It's all about the fact that he believes the rules are for everyone else but him. I don't believe his repentance at all.

IMHO, YMMV.

I went into a coffee shop, and he was the only other customer there. He was extremely gracious, signed autographs for and took a picture with the staff, and was very friendly to chat with for a few minutes.

He could have completely brushed us off, but he didn't. I have no personal beef with the guy.

What does this story have to do with ANYTHING that is currently causing massive pain in this country? His affairs are a personal matter.

I think a lot of this has to do with bringing someone down who was on a pedestal.

And I don't give a flying fuck about how many affairs he had. 'He had this coming'? Sounds like jealousy and a need to tear others down to me. IMHO.

Let's put it this way. He chose his life. Nobody forced him, past the age of 18, to pick up a golf club. Nobody forced him to bone a number of women that would be embarrassing if he were still single, let alone married.

Nobody forced him to act like a spoiled child on and off the golf course, according to the vast number of media sources that have finally admitted they sat on the story of his rampant infidelity for years due to the clout he carries in the golf world.

He absolutely had this coming. Karma's a bitch. When you build an entire career, let alone represent companies by trading on your rep as the "family man", there's going to be a problem when people discover you're not. The stockholders of the companies Woods represented, for instance, lost $14 BILLION dollars as a result of the negative press. I could also discuss the fact that Woods didn't feel it necessary to use a condom while having intercourse with at least fourteen women on the sly, and exposed his wife to God knows what as a result. I've read people here who claim that she "should have known better". So, it's her fault? She drove him to it? I guess this is what she gets for being a supportive wife, bearing his two kids, etcetera.

There's plenty of pain to go around in this country, but claiming that Woods never hurt anyone but himself by his behavior is disingenuous at best.

Adultery breaks up homes, kills the cuckolded spouse slowly inside, harms the children (who most certainly are aware that their Mom or Dad is hurt and angry, even if nothing is said in front of them).

Adultery is abuse. Period. It's no different than getting slapped or punched or kicked. Hell, it's probably worse since the pain stays around a lot longer.

When you start living your life through celebrities and saying over-the-top things like "Adultery is abuse", it's time to talk to the doctor about Xanax.

stays around for a long time too.

seem to drive it.

This is the first implication I've heard of and it's a crock of shit. I've heard nobody, absolutely nobody, say that the anger expressed toward Tiger was based on racism.

What the fuck?! Somebody is being quite disingenuous here.

Then why marry at all? Why subject someone who (from all external appearances,) kept her vows, while he believed that keeping his promises was for the little people? Part of being married is the agreement to remain faithful to one person.

It seems simple to me. If you don't think you can keep your marriage vows, don't marry at all, or leave. If you're going to paint yourself as the doting family man, at least try to live up to it.

I don't see why so many people on this board don't get that!

It's not unrealistic, or even prudish, to believe one should not cheat on a committed spouse.

If Tiger wanted to cat around (no pun intended), then why did he get married and pledge fidelity? Just don't get married if you can't live up to the promise or marry someone who wants to have an open relationship.

:shrug:

So...only rich and powerful people cheat on their spouses?

You know, when you have to MANUFACTURE reasons to hate people, you really should be asking yourself, "Is this worth the energy?"

If you are so above the comments others here are making, why bother? After all, there are other things you could be focusing on, aren't there?

I'm also going to agree with the "adultery is abuse" person above. If that was the original agreement between two people, either uphold it, or leave. A spouse that cheats seems to believe that they're a special snowflake, and the rules don't apply to them. It's the worst sort of betrayal between two people, IMHO.

If a celebrity is going to raise that level of ire in me, he's got to do something that affects me personally. I don't see what Tiger Woods' infidelity has to do with me...or you. And yet, you seem to feel personally betrayed by him.

You're a man, I'm a woman. Historically, wives have been the ones left holding the bag (or raising the kids,) while their husbands enjoyed themselves in other women's beds. This happens to women in every economic bracket, so the comments re: "why are you so mad at a celebrity?" really don't hold water.

Did Tiger Woods betray me personally? No, but I don't need to see his face on every TV channel over the next several days while he makes his latest attempt to rehabilitate and spin.

Again, you are just as concerned as you state other people on this thread are. If it doesn't affect you, why are you on the thread in the first place?

One can comment on a thread without being emotionally invested in it, you know.

Meanwhile, here's a bunch of links that might help you improve your knowledge of history:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=women+more+likely+to+cheat+than+men&aq=1&aqi=g6&aql=&oq=women+more+likely+&gs_rfai=

When did that happen?

Your post is an embarrassment of comprehension failure.

Obama could use someone like you.

so often? Why must you judge others relationships in some sort of ranking scale? To feel better than them?
Why does a marriage HAVE to be like how YOUR marriage is? Because the bible says it's a man, a wife til the end of time? Pretty much every human sexuality study will show you that's not a likely out come.

I don't care about Tiger cheating on his wife because I didn't marry him. If I did I have enough realistic expectations of how young, good looking famous men do at being able to not give in to the many sexual opportunities they get presented with. People tend to assume THEY would never end up doing what Tiger does, but that * keeps Hollywood insider shows in business. It's almost as if human nature tells you almost exactly the opposite is very likely to happen. It's Tigers relationship with his wife, either he's going to figure it out or not.

It's fact. I don't think I've ever been to a wedding in which the parties getting married did not promise fidelity, and I've been to hundreds by this age. If you have no intention of remaining faithful to the spouse you stood up in front of four people or four hundred and promised to do so, what's the point?

I find it especially amusing that Woods' apologists here can't be bothered with the fact his irresponsible behavior exposed his wife (and his children in utero,) to disease. That's okay, though -- he was just living his life. If he had no intention of living up to his promises, why marry at all?

Those who want to have it all? Great. Let them do it with full disclosure. It's fairly obvious he never informed his wife that she wasn't ever #1 on his list. He didn't respect her enough to stay out of (at last count, IMHO,) fourteen other women's beds, one of which was their neighbor.

When men greet women's infidelity with the same devil-may-care attitude they expect women to greet theirs with, the playing field will be level. That will never happen. After all, women do the lion's share of the "forgiving" and the "mopping up", while some men still believe it's their perfect right to act on their every impulse.

Woods is just the latest in a long line of men who should NEVER have gotten married. He chose to do so to burnish the "family man" image. Perhaps he should have let his wife in on his definition of "marriage" before he ever popped the question.

if he had cheated with black women, it would not have been as newsworthy..

That is the dumbest statement ever.

Tiger is in the news because he encouraged publicity that made him out to be, an upstanding citizen, a trustworthy person, a golfer who reached the top, a happily married man with children, an honest person.

In reality he was a cheater. It won't surprise me at all when they find out he's been taking drug enhancements to make himself physically stronger. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.
And...as Sammy Davis once said, "I don't care if he's polka dot."

>It won't surprise me at all when they find out he's been taking drug enhancements to make himself physically stronger.<

That will be next. Who wants to bet with me? $10 to DU when a documented/mainstream media source breaks the news.

Who Tiger has sex with is none of my business, afaic.

And completely violate them in private. In other words, being a hypocritical bastard. Sort of like some Republican senators.

Let me see you say that the next time some fundie preacher, or Repub pol, get caught in the mens' room trying to get a blowjob.

I won't hold my breath.

"When people flaut their family values in public..."

What in god's name does that even mean? He's not a preacher.

Given the Master's still doesn't allow women and until recently, did not allow A. Americans, I can't say I am surprised.

last night on the news. I got the definite impression that he just jumped on the chance to talk down to a famous African American. It didn't make the Master's look good at all. And I bet Southern Democrats cringed when they listened to him, too.

He got glowing press for 15+ years.

The Woods story opens old wounds for many people, I know it did for me.

In my case it has nothing to do with race, just that I despise adulterers of either sex.

always have. i think this episode vindicates how i've always felt about him.

I have never liked him and now I don't like him even more.

I don't care what flippin' color he is.

a jerk at the same time.

An unusual combination for someone with such a massive amount of media attention.

:thumbsup:

...who have become masters at something by also becoming somewhat of automatons.

"Totally uninteresting and a jerk at the same time"

My take on Tiger's sexual exploits, are it was an attempt to be interesting // no, rather, an attempt to be interested. It's like they say some of the worst sociopaths are motivated by a wish to feel something, anything. I think there is something similar going on with Tiger. I don't think he "gets" emotional attachments, maybe the focus on golfing took an emotional toll or rather, led him to suppress his emotions. I have observed over the years that suppressed emotions always, always come out, usually directed in non productive ways.

Anyway, I do find it amusing how strongly people react to this. It's another "sports guy gone wild" story, gosh I've never heard *that* before!

I want to rec your response.

Thank gawd.

All is right in the world.

The personal difficulties of multi-millionaires who play golf five days a week on perfectly maintained courses is of vital interest to everyone in the nation. If Tiger isn't in the headlines, the terrorists win! It's sooo obvious, you libruls. Why do you hate America?

I just thought the guy was a total asshole. Silly me.

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both fools !

that Tiger is the only guy in the world to have cheated. How many of his white golf buddies are in affairs at this very moment?

I don't think we would have heard anything about this if Tiger had married a black woman.

there's a certain white NFL quarterback awaiting charges of sexual assault by a local DA.

Hint: SuperBowl MVP, plays for the Steelers.

Where's the media. :shrug:

:evilfrown:

Big Ben is front and center in the news. If the DA presses charges you'll see more than care to see about him.

News vans and satellite trucks outside his door ? interviews w/ every person he ever met ? Gloria Allred ?

Where is "front & center" exactly.

FWIW I don't give a shit about it, but it sure strikes me odd that a rape allegation is being handled so gently.

:evilfrown:

Those interviews with Sports Illustrated are now a riot to read.

women.

Yeah, that's racism, if nothing else. :sarcasm:

I have no clue what sources you are reading, but I have read very few instances where race comes up or race is a driving factor.

except i think he must have some mental problems. which (and all the sleeping around) is really none of my business.

care about is the 24/7 news coverage of all things tiger. There are other more news worthy things going on in the world I would much rather hear about.
He supposed to be a big important "sports star"? keep it on the sports page/channel. Give the rest of us a break.:rant:

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I think he's trash... a skank... a lying, cheating MFer whom I hope gets taken to the cleaners by his wife for failing to keep his promise of faithfulness and fidelity.

I'm anti-Tiger because he violated the contract he held with Elin. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I think all spouses who cheat are trash (unless they are in an open marriage, in which case, it's not really cheating).

People like to hate Tiger for the same reason they hate the Yankees, the Cowboys and Duke.

As for accusations of being a jerk...guess what? Many star athletes and celebrities are.

Here and elsewhere.

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of his hometown paper one day max.

He's arguably the most recognized or one of the most recognized athletes on the face of the Earth who benefits from a carefully constructed image as devoted husband and father and it's discovered he has a harem that would make Wilt Chamberlain blush.

That's news...

"No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be true."


-Nathaniel Hawthorne

other than what he is, so, have fun boy and girls!

Jeter's name often comes up in these discussions. It's a way of standing the charge of "voyeur" or "prude" on its head.

When it comes to fidelity Jeter is not judged because he doesn't hold himself out as a standard to be judged by.

In today's world, it is all about the celebs.

Is there anything you've seen to suggest it is?

You seem to be inventing this out of thin air.

How does that make me racist?

That being said I don't countenance it but it's not by business.

However, he held himself out as a devoted family man and father. The fact that he isn't remotely close to what he held himself out as makes him deserving of opprobrium.

He's a great golfer but he's not a great person. Outside of being a great golfer he hasn't really done anything particularly interesting except for this...

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Which you would probably attack him for.

Again, Ali was a demigod. To paraphrase Larry Holmes " Tiger Woods couldn't carry Ali's jockstrap." Ali was willing to risk his livelihood, his career, and his freedom for what he believed in and he could kick ass in the ring too. Tiger should have said "I love my dad but the G.O.A.T. was sui generis, the alpha and the omega."

But he can't be held responsible for everything other people say about him. Disliking him based on that is just silly.

I just find it ironic that he has a commercial publicixing the incident he says is a private affair.

Or because he's bi-racial? No, the sentiment is NOT driven by racism. It's driven by the fact he was an an arrogant controlling prick (pun intended). And the media is piling it on because he WAS so arrogant and refused to give interviews except under carefully controlled circumstances. And average Americans hate to see rich men fucking around on their wife and children.

Don't try playing the race card here, not this time.

Is golf predominately a sport of the white middle and upper classes? Have country clubs been, and still are exclusionary?

You bet your ass.

But any famous golfer would be taking it up the ass right now, and deservedly so, if he did what Woods did.

And finally I hate golf and golf courses.

And to quote Al Czernick, "Hey, I'll buy up your crummy snobatorium and build condos on it."

Every FUCKING golf course on the the planet. If I could.

Not for the prude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMhn32n5g8

He was a mega star in the sports world. For some reason, we love to see people crash and burn and then pull themselves back out. If he wins the MAsters, he'll be back on top in the media. A good comeback story.

I do think the new Nike commercial is kind of creepy -- Nike is selling shoes for crissakes.

Normally I love seeing bizarre, different things. But the Nike ad is a boring flavor of bizarre.

Le Tigre does seem to evoke polarized reactions from people, though. Much of it could be racist but I haven't been playing close attention aside from what I hear on Sirius.

But not doubt racism is alive, well and loud in America these days. Witness teabaggers, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for a sad example of hate.

People were offended by the difference between the public man and the porivate man and all the duplicity that went into creating that facade.