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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:30 PM Original message |
How often do we have to go through this? The real issue about authorizing assassination |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Circumstances very much matter. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Circumstances are in the eye of the beholder. If you make exceptions to rule of law |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. The right wingers were always telling us there is no rule of law on a |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The question remains whether the president has the same authority |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Of course not |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
43. There is international law as well as national law that applies to battlefields. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Why didn't we just execute everyone in GITMO? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Because they were not out in the field there |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. We didn't capture them. We bought them from the Northern Alliance |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Yemen is not a battlefield. It is a sovereign nation. |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Then you will not object when the same standard is applied to you. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Not at all. I won't object one bit. |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Don't be so sure about that.. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. And not one was killed |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You're assuming that there will be sanity and reasoning from here on out. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. And you're wearing a tinfoil hat |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #17 |
63. No because the good citizen has nothing to fear ! |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Isn't this what "James Bond 007" was about? The "00" a license to kill. n/t |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Seriously? James Bond? |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I'm not saying that a "license to kill" is OK, just not new. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Please present your evidence that this person |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. bullshit. unconstitutional bullshit to boot. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. UnAmerican codswollop. Disgusting. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. What' stopping the government from naming you a terrorist? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. VERY GOOD POINT about WWII and killing US citizens fighting for Germany. No one put them |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. And you know this, not because he was found guilty by a court, but because you read it on the |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. Especially within the context of a PHONY WAR |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. That's what so many are arguing around. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Precisely |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. It should be obvious to all that there needs to be a strong check on that power, for balance. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. ! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. What is to be suggested about how to handle this? |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well, first of all, he will not be able to enter the US |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There is a Supreme Court case that says the government is not |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. So anytime a politician of the opposition leaves the US |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. No, of course not. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well, if he doesn't have to prove to a court that this guy is a criminal |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The line has to be drawn somewhere |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Dillinger pulled a gun. |
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skeptical cynic (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Due process is the method for determining guilt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
59. That would be the same SC that installed an illigitimate |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Right... because every person who comes to the US... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. Forget the ethics, the legality, even the viability of the policy. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. You know, that's a damn good point. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
51. How do you know it falls under self defense? Have you seen |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. And set the standard for international law and action? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Amazing isn't it? This cult of personality is so dangerous. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. Oh for fucks sake |
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merkins (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. By Who? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. The CIA look it up yourself |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Damn, lets hope the CIA never puts Egnever on their shit list |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. But this isn't the Wild West and Obama is not Pat Garrett. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Says you |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You bet. Obama is not a cowboy in a lawless landscape |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. And? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. What if the orders get smeared and they "off" Limbaugh by mistake? |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Oops |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
23. Calling for assassination is wrong. Not that it makes much difference. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
26. Oh, but he's OUR guy, so that makes it okay (to some) |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. Has he even been indicted? |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. It's "our" guy now - and since he can do no wrong, it must now be ok |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. Go Team! |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. So, this is how we make a more perfect union -- NOT! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
60. Link and quote the administration sayin such? (meaning NOT "anonomous" quotes) |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
62. So true. |
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