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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:17 AM
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Oath Keepers bails on open-carry gun rally outside of D.C.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/oath_keepers_bails_on_open-car.html


Oath Keepers bails on open-carry gun rally outside of D.C.
David Weigel


The much-discussed group that gives military veterans an oath to defend their country against their government is pulling out of an April 19 rally that was set to attract considerable media attention. The reason: reports of inflammatory rhetoric from organizers of the rally, who planned to display their guns.

Oath Keepers endorses Americans’ protected right to keep, and bear, arms. In keeping with our stance, Oath Keepers’ representatives have recently performed oath ceremonies at open-carry rallies at several State capitols, including before the capitol buildings in Kentucky and Montana. We fully support the right of Americans to peaceably assemble and publicly exercise their right to bear arms right along with their right to free speech, association, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

However, because of published statements by some participants in the upcoming Virginia rally, Oath Keepers as an organization feels that a confrontational stance, such as has been published, places this event, in public perception, outside the terms of our stated and published mission. The mission of Oath Keepers is not to confront the government. Instead, our mission is to reach out to people within government – to police, military, firefighters and first responders – to teach them about their obligations under the oath they took to defend the Constitution, to increase their knowledge of the Constitution, and to inspire them to defend it by refusing to obey unconstitutional, unlawful orders. That’s it. And if we can reach enough of them with that message, it could prevent possible future egregious violations of the Bill of Rights in a very peaceful way. Confronting the government is not included in the Oath Keepers stated and published mission and as an educational organization focused on the current serving, Oath Keepers refrains from confrontation in deed and rhetoric.


Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes will, however, speak at a pro-gun rights rally later that day in Washington -- where no firearms will be on display. Both rallies had been catching flack for being scheduled on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, which activists point out is also the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:23 AM
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1. The question I have for Stewart Rhodes is who determines if a
law is constitutional or not...

I thought that was up to the Supreme Court and not some private group.

If they are pledged to uphold The Constitution then they are legally obligated, as military and peace keepers, to follow the law.

To do otherwise is to stage a de facto coup.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:41 AM
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5. I could not get that from my oathkeeper friend. He is cagey about what
triggers the military coup. And I could not get from him, how they would not be killing their own, that did not understand that they were rethug inspired. How they would dog whistle to the ignorant.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:32 AM
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2. Looks like the Oath Keepers are big Chickens!
"we have guns and we can intimidate normal people with them until we might get into trouble for it"

My mom and brother and I were swept up by the police at a peace march in D.C. many years ago. We were herded into a stadium by men carrying guns. We weren't scared, we didn't quit and we were back out two weeks later in Central Park.

I guess we know what "Courage of your Convictions" means.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:39 AM
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4. This aint cowardess, it's strategy. Except for the overarching veiled threat.
WEre we to paint them like teathugs, they would have hard lives, and maybe hard time.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:36 AM
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3. I knew this would happen. I have a friend Oathkeeper, highly placed
And I took him apart about the org and its mission. I got real interesting replies to my jabs. Asked one sociopath what would make him turn his gun on a fellow US soldier, he immediately retorted, if he was doing something not constitutional. Then, I asked, how the rethug sociopath would know that Moe, the Oathkeeper was not starting the coup, when he saw him acting unconstitutionally? After I ruined all of them thoroughly, the Oathkeeper said that he was toning down his political rhetoric. I feel this was suggested by leaders. They are getting bad press, any time they open their mouths. Making treason, and military coup sound highminded is not for the dullwitted.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:49 AM
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6. First: good for you for taking them to task!
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:50 AM by havocmom
Second: Seems likely their 'leaders' may have received some legal counseling re inciting to violence and decided to save their own miserable asses in the (likely, in my opinion) event that a few of the unstable ya-hoos who want to get a footnote in history decide to go down as martyrs for their cloudy vision of their cause.

Finding out they are not anonymous in helping to organize these public exercises in attempted bullying of society probably caused a few of these all mouth/no logic 'patriots' to shit their camo panties. Oh, there are RESPONSIBILITIES along with shooting my mouth off? Well, never-mind

edited to fix omitted word
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:53 AM
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7. Ah, I see that the active-duty Oaf Bleepers have been
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:58 AM by MineralMan
counseled by their superior officers. So much for their dedication to upholding their version of the Constitution. They get told to "knock it off," and so they start knocking immediately.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:53 AM
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8. Who cares? Really, why should we give a damn one way or another? eom
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:30 AM
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9. K&R nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:33 AM
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10. Why don't they just surgically implant the damn things and be done with it?
It would save an awful lot of time and tiresome, predictable, bellicose rhetoric.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:07 PM
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11. Firefighters?
All the years I was on the fire department, I never once was trained in what was "constitutional" or weapons. The only thing a FF does when weapons are involved is wait until the scene is secure.
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