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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:40 AM
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Tea Party Leaders Ask State to Create Armed Voluntary Militia to Combat Federal Government

http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributors/3142


Sedition: Oklahoma Tea Party Leaders Ask State to Create Armed Voluntary Militia to Combat Federal Government


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Coming on the heels of the arrests and indictments of the Hutaree militia group in Southern Michigan and given the fact that April 19 is the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing – the day that Tim McVeigh exploded a truckbomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killing 168 people -- at first glance I thought the story I was reading had emanated from the fevered minds of the writers at The Onion -- one of the nation’s premier humor/satire publications where no issue is off limits.

But I soon realized that this in fact was a serious news dispatch from two Associated Press writers, Sean Murphy and Tim Talley.

According to Murphy and Talley, Oklahoma Tea Party leaders are so “frustrated by recent political setbacks” that they have been talking with state legislators about the possibility of creating “a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.”

The AP report pointed out that “Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.”

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“State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and that he believes the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution,” AP reported. The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Another Tea Party leader, J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea, helped initiatite the discussion through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

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It is unclear whether the Oklahoma legislature will take action on the Tea Partiers suggestion that a volunteer militia be created to protect Oklahomans from the federal government. For now, State Sen. Randy Brogdon and Tea Party leaders Al Gerhart and J. W. Berry are making the folks Merle Haggard sang about in "Okie from Muskogee" seem like downright liberals.
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Sen. Randy should be put out of govt. and never allowed to hold a govt. job again.



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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:43 AM
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1. Who's going to pay for it?

They have no idea how much it would cost to organize, train and operate a state militia.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:47 AM
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3. Of course, taxpayers will pay for it. Prison that is.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:49 AM
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6. They're looking for legal cover to collect their own weapons
They don't want the feds coming in and arresting them on conspiracy charges (even though that's what they're doing) and using their weapons and training against them in court. If they can be identified as "official members of the state volunteer militia" it can give them one heck of alot of cover for doing the activities that the Michigan folks just got arrested for.

I don't think they'll get very far. As soon as anyone from the state saw who was showing up, they "disband" the whole mess in a heart beat.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:58 AM
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7. AND they are so damn stupid they don't realize
that even tho it is a State Militia....Obama will still be the Commander in Chief of the Organization. And it will be his right to control it....won't that frost their you know what's.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:47 AM
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2. Under Article II, Section 2 of the consitution...
the president is CIC of all state militias.

Dumbasses.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:49 AM
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5. Don't tell them now.
Wait until they can be charged with treason.
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peopleb4money Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:48 AM
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4. The Civil War is over
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:08 AM
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8. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army ..., and of the Militia of the several States
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army ..., and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;..."

Article 2 - The Executive Branch
Section 2 - Civilian Power Over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments


The Constitution is quite clear that state militias can be federalized by the President. It does not matter whether one interprets the 2nd Amendment gun rights as individual or collective rights. The 2nd amendment does not give individuals the right to organize state militias against the federal government.

A state militia to combat the Federal government is a contradiction, as any such militia would surely be federalized by the CIC if there were such a confrontation. (This actually happened in Little Rock in 1956 - President Eisenhower placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent in regular army troops to enforce the 1954 SCOTUS desegregation decision).
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:09 AM
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9. This is by far my favorite part
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 11:13 AM by MattBaggins
"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

No dipshit, it would be a far right crazy plan supported by far right crazy politicians.
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