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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:22 PM
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Democratic Socialists of America:"the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/Obama.socialist/index.html?hpt=C2

Ask the card-carrying socialists: Is Obama one of them?
By John Blake, CNN


(CNN) -- Billy Wharton should be happy.

"Socialized health care" is on its way. The "socialist agenda" is taking over America. And best of all, Barack Obama, a "committed socialist ideologue," is in the Oval Office.

But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

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He and others say the assertion that Obama is a socialist is absurd.

"It makes no rational sense. It clearly means that people don't understand what socialism is."

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Those arguments don't sway Conrad Quagliaroli, a Tea Party member who says Obama is a socialist.

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Quagliaroli was not persuaded by the arguments of other socialist leaders who reject the idea that Obama is a socialist.

"He's just not socialist enough for them."

Quagliaroli says he doesn't like socialism because it breeds mediocrity and encourages people to "live on the dole." Capitalism "breeds excellence" because it encourages initiative, he says.

Does that mean that Quagliaroli will refuse his Social Security checks, a government program that has been described as socialistic, and which he opposes?

Not necessarily, says Quagliaroli. He says he'll accept his Social Security checks for two reasons.

"They confiscated it from me to begin with, and the more money they give me, the less they'll have to waste," he says. "I can spend it better than they can. I don't pay $500 for a hammer."


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Llewellyn, the national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says he was struck by one player in the 2008 presidential elections who displayed more socialistic leanings than Obama.

This candidate raised taxes on the big oil companies, and sent the revenue to the people.

If you want to learn something about spreading the wealth, Llewellyn says, don't look to Obama.

"To be honest, the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin."
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:28 PM
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1. As Quitter-General of Alaska, Sarah Palin oversaw a state program of wealth distribution
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 12:28 PM by kenny blankenship
However, as a longtime schizophrenic airplane glue addict, Sarah Palin isn't aware that administering that program was part of her job.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:32 PM
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2. And how is that? Palin was the most right-wing anti-socialist candidate in the election.

Let's not pretend otherwise, unless one wants to distort and pervert the actual meaning of socialism.

That's what right-wingnuts do when they suggest that Hitler was a socialist because the word "socialist" was in the name of the Nazis party.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:45 PM
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4. Well, for starters, Todd claims their half-million dollar house was built by him and his buddies...
VAN SUSTEREN: This is obviously your home. You built this?

PALIN: Myself and some buddies that were contractors helped me put it together, and it was a lot of fun.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423102,00.html

So, did he pay his "buddies" for their work? Or did they do it for free? Or reduced rate?

And if they did it for free, then is "socialism" only applied to situations when you help someone who isn't your "buddy?"
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:47 PM
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7. Neither....
The Palin's apparently extorted free labor from contrators hired to building the mammount sports center in Wasilla.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:59 PM
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8. Sorry. That's a non-starter! Has nothing to do with socialist economy or politics.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:46 PM
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5. Raising Taxes on Large Corporations,
...and then using that money to give a check to every citizen of Alaska CAN be considered "Socialist".

BTW: YOU and every other citizen of the US contributed to that check Palin sent to each Alaskan through Higher Prices at the Gas Pump.

K&R for wider distribution.
Everyone should start calling Paling the "Socialist" Governor.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:46 PM
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6. Palin directed $3000 to every Alaskan resident from Alaska's oil royalties
up $1,200 from previous administrations.

Does that make her a Socialist? I don't think so. She would violently reject any insinuation that her principles are Socialist. She would disavow any connection between her "thinking" and Socialist theories and theorists.

She inherited a popular wealth redistribution program, and "did moar" of it to be "moar popular". In calling her the biggest Socialist in American presidential politics, the S-D fellah is just being impishly provocative, stretching words beyond their literal meaning, to get people to ponder the nonsensical ways the word Socialism is used in American politics.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:42 PM
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3. those $500 hammers, of course, were originally decried by leftists and were only the result of
the military industry (a PRIVATE, capitalist undertaking, outside of its subsidies) gaining ears in the right-wing, capitalism-loving Reagan administration--not because of any inherent incompetence by "bureaucrats"

of course, if anyone told this Quagliaroli figure what I just wrote, he'd blink a few times and yell "that's less money for them to waste!" or just "socialism!"

capitalist propaganda and thought-entraining mental contexts arose in the 20s and 50s: Ford said that the Reds "threatened your prosperity," which sounded crazy after 1929; in 1947-54 anticommunism rose to hysteric new heights (with even Socialist Norman Thomas getting in on the action, of all people). now we have Rand, Heinlein, the Powell Memo, the Koch and Hunt families, and the neocon mothership, Team B
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:02 PM
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9. plus stories like that have always struck me as a smokescreen
claim a $500 hammer here, a $200 toilet seat there and eventually you have enough black budget for one of Reagan's coups/drug & arms deals with terrorists, and it's all on the books as something else.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:02 PM
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10. don't forget her use of Canadian health care nt
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