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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:19 PM
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Muslim woman denied approval as foster parent because she won't serve pork????
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-muslim-foster-parents-20100416,0,1156696.story

A code for religious discrimination
Our view: Must one serve pork to qualify as a responsible foster parent?

With all the orphaned and abandoned children in need of loving homes, does anyone really believe that serving pork should be a requirement for good foster parenting? Crazy as it sounds, that's apparently the belief of a private company authorized by the state of Maryland to place foster children. And it's so absurd that it's hard to conclude the real motivation is anything but religious bias.

The case came to light Wednesday when the American Civil Liberties Union filed a complaint with the Baltimore City Community Relations Commission against a company called Contemporary Family Services, which has a contract with the state to screen foster-parent candidates. The complaint alleges the agency illegally discriminated against a Middle River couple when it denied them a license to become foster parents because they refused to serve pork or pork products in their home.

The couple, Tashima Crudup, 26, and Andre Moore, 39, are Muslims. But in their application and interviews with the licensing agency, both indicated they would welcome a foster child of a different faith in their home. A social worker who visited them reported they had "an understanding that there are many religions and that they are accepting of religious practices other than their own. ... Additionally, they express a willingness to make arrangements to have a child attend the church of his or her own choice if so requested."

According to the agency's own report, the couple had a spacious home in which they were raising five children, had completed 30 hours of training as foster parents and had no criminal record. Mr. Moore was employed as a truck driver, and Ms. Crudup, who had been a foster child herself and wanted to give back some of the love she had received as a kid, was a stay-at-home mom. And though the family attended a mosque in Baltimore regularly, and the women wore traditional head coverings, there was no suggestion they were religious zealots. Ms. Crudup even said she would have no objection to her foster children eating pork in venues outside her home, including school outings or restaurants.

>snip<

More at the link.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:23 PM
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1. well they want to impose THEIR religious beliefs on children of other religions.....
quote from above: both indicated they would welcome a foster child of a different faith in their home.

so they will not allow those children of other faiths foods that those other faiths think are ok.

hmmm

Msongs
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:25 PM
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3. They said could have them, just that they wouldn't serve them in the home.
RFTA.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:26 PM
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5. They just don't want to handle or prepare it.
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 10:27 PM by Tailormyst
This seems like an absurd reason to deny kids a loving home.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:35 PM
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12. what if it's one motherfucking charming pig?
i mean if he's more charming than that arnold on green acres, would that be ok?
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:25 AM
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36. ...........
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:31 AM
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37. look, pigs eat, and root in shit. they're filthy animals.
:rofl:
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:30 PM
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8. It's not like they'd deny a child communion wafers.
They're OK with a foster child eating pork outside of their home. They're willing to help a child attend a church of a faith other than their own.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:33 PM
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9. it's not as though consuming pork is an integral part of other religions
Not serving pork does not equal imposing your religious beliefs on others.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:54 AM
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23. Oh I don't know. Haven't you heard about the Communion of the BLT Sandwich? Very holy...
... deeply mysterious. The bread is toasted on the altar candles at midnight.

Don't forget the mayo. :eyes:

Hekate

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:38 AM
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41. Exactly. nt
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:41 PM
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13. How many Christian foster parents make a point
of announcing that they will allow their foster children to attend any church of their choice?

Sounds like these people are more tolerant and accommodating than 90% of Christians I've ever met. I bet they'd be great foster parents.

Your post defends blatant bigotry.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:29 AM
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20. but they'll take them to the church of their choice & let them eat pork outside their home. hmm.
seems you're imposing your own interpretation in the absence of evidence for it.

because eating pork is the most important feature of a child's life, & an important symbol of freedom, of course.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:51 AM
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21. It's a simple dietary adjustment IN THE HOME, not a burka, for gods' sake. They said the kids could
... eat anything they wanted to OUTSIDE the home. The cooking utensils and dishes have to remain ritually clean -- kosher, if you will -- and ritually clean has nothing to do with washing things in boiling water. It has to do with the integrity and continuity of religious practice inside the home. Foster kids would be deprived of nothing, and according to this couple's application they would be happy to have children of a different faith attend whatever religious services they wanted.

My first roomie away from home in college was a Jewish girl. The dishes and pots in our apartment were hers; she asked that I not bring treif home, so I didn't. It wasn't some big hairy deal, it was a matter of respect. After several months I started to crave canned pork'n'beans, but so what? Anytime I wanted to I could go to a coffee shop and order a BLT if I started jonesing for pig products that badly.

I think the Dept of Social Services is discriminating on the basis of religion, and that's not right.

Hekate

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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:23 AM
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24. It's funny how sometimes someone makes such an idiotic comment to an OP then refuses to answer
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 02:24 AM by Incitatus
to anyone who responded to them.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:02 AM
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33. No they don't.
The article says that they have no problem with them eating pork outside their home. They just didn't want to serve it.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:31 AM
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38. teh stoopid burns....
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:37 AM
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40. Would you expect vegetarian foster parents to serve
roast beef in their home?

Strangely enough, one can live a very full and happy life without pig meat.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:48 PM
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44. I won't serve pork after hearing about the things you can catch from it.
Guess that makes me a bad parent.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:24 PM
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2. CAN'T pass the stink test in MD,
considering MANY other-than-Muslims who won't serve pork, like KOSHER JEWISH HOUSEHOLDS!

:thumbsdown:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:25 PM
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4. Shhhhh .....
..... not s'possa mention that.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:26 PM
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6. They didn't play "the game" correctly.....they were trying to be open & HONEST....
"the game" doesn't support "open & honest" at this time.

To h*ll with all of the wrest (and, yes, I spelled the word CORRECTLY ~ look it up if you don't know) of it!
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:27 PM
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7. SOS...SOS....
Calling on Adel Foxman of ADL.....

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:35 PM
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10. Boy its a good thing they aren't Orthodox Jews.
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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:53 AM
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29. Word!
:puke:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:35 PM
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11. Pork as a basic human right?
I can't see it. Bacon, maybe.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:25 PM
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14. Perhaps it was just a convenient excuse to turn down...
the placement because the home already had 5 children in it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:28 PM
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16. Rather an odd way to do it
Almost like it was designed to offend someone.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:37 AM
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28. Bacon may not be a religion, but it should be
The only thing that surprising is this story didn't originate from someplace like lower Alabama or Toad Suck, Arkansas.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:27 PM
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15. I'm first in line for "bacon is good" snark, but that's so ridiculous that it's obviously just cover
for bigots.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:38 AM
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17. I'm Jewish, not too much pork on my menu's either - am I disqualified? And..
what about vegetarian's are they also excluded, or just Muslim's?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:56 AM
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19. I'm a vegetarian and that's what I was wondering
too. I guess I would be excluded because I won't serve ANY meat. :yoiks:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:53 AM
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22. I'm guessing just Muslims.
I'd be shocked to find this "qualification" raised in those other circumstances.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:42 AM
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18. Sounds cruel and inhumane to me
Denying someone the 'other white meat'

:sarcasm:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:53 AM
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25. Pork: the other white supremacy meat.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:59 AM
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26. I bet the Baltimore Jewish community will have something to say about this.
Some people are fucking idiots. :banghead:
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:35 AM
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27. Yes agreement! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
:argh:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:39 AM
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42. Great point
I was thinking about that, too.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:08 AM
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30. Eating pork at home is not a basic human right.
What if the parents were vegetarians, or Jews, or just didn't like pork - would they be banned too?

Are children better off in institutions than in a good home that doesn't serve pork???

This is crazy, and probably just an excuse to discriminate against Muslims.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:51 AM
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31. I guess they won't let observant Jews have any foster kids, then, either....nt
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 05:51 AM by old mark
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:01 AM
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32. That seems absolutely insane
I don't understand this decision in the least.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:15 AM
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34. Privatization:
So much potential for abuse. So little oversight.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:20 AM
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35. real BBQ is a religion in some parts of the country.

;)
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:56 AM
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43. Of course. Everybody knows a home that doesn't serve pulled pork 'n slaw sandwiches...
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 08:57 AM by Gwendolyn
is the absolute height of disfunction. Forget about alcoholism, depression, verbal/spousal/child abuse, emotional distance and all that other good stuff. That's nothing compared to the home that deprives children of really good, falling off the bone ribs.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:36 AM
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39. That's so wrong in so many ways
Not the least of which is an obvious attempt to rule out both Muslims and Jews as foster parents.
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