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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:46 AM
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Poll question: When Will The Job Situation Significantly Improve?
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 06:52 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:48 AM
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1. We may be in for a long period of high unemployment
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:50 AM
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2. That Sucks And "We" Will Get Blamed
I wouldn't want to run as the incumbent president with an unemployment level greater than eight percent. Last incumbent to win in that environment was FDR.

I don't have the answer but I know damn well the Reupblicants don't.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:06 AM
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8. As long as we keep shipping off jobs not nailed down to other countries to feed the
US Greed Machine, not much will improve.

I have friends previously in hi-tech with jobs now gone that made excellent incomes now pleased to be flipping burgers and/or driving fork lifts, for example, at min wage. Now they and their kids are questioning in the NEW America the value of even getting an education. First, it's not affordable, and second for many the payback will/might not be there.

IMO the standard of living for many in this country slides lower each day. I blame a lot of it on NAFTA/CAFTA poorly written and/or poorly implemented. IMO the US is digging its own grave for the majority of citizens.

I don't think there is any magical wand that can be waved and I sure as hell know the republican loud mouths are clueless on what to do...

I get so fed up with republican loud mouths strutting around like that have all of the answers, like Bush was so F'en great. And we can thank their hero Reagan for starting this F'en mess.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:51 AM
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3. jobs? who cares? the investor class is doing great. stocks are soaring. amerka is awesome!
:eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:53 AM
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4. Maybe It Will Trickle Down
I had to sell my car to raise cash. Thank God my friend has loaned me his second car.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:55 AM
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5. maybe. the last trickle smelled distinctly of piss. pretty sure the next one will, too.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:57 AM
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6. F Macroeconomics- My Fiancee And I Just Want Gainful Employment
And with all the candidates for jobs potential employers are becoming more and more discriminating.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:18 AM
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9. I hope they won't mind walking/driving around decayed cities/communities, poverty, crime and
failed wrecks once human as they strut around with the result of unbridled greed in a third world country. Perhaps they can wear virtual glasses so all looks rosy and nice... Perhaps they won't mind driving over a body or two as they roll along. But hey "Ain't it the best country in the whole world!"

I think we should call it "One Nation Under Greed."

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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:59 AM
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7. Obviously depends how you define significantly
Under 8? Probably 18-24 months. 12-18 if we're lucky and some new and burgeoning industry catches on faster than expected

Under 6? 3+ years I'd guess.

Under 4? Unlikely given our commercial and educational structure, and if it happened people would probably (and in this case probably correctly) complain that we were in a X bubble.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:21 AM
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10. If they passed Single Payer they would. Reason my company and
many others have to outsource so much is Health Insurance costs. Nearly all the countries we outsource work to have Universal HC.

Want entrepreneurs to start up companies and create jobs? Take HC costs out of the equation.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:35 AM
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23. That's what I argued
Single-payer creates AND saves jobs.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:33 AM
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11. When republicans take over......
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 07:33 AM by stray cat
as many progressives claim they are giving up on the dems - they must think the GOP will be more progressive and good for working Americans
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:33 AM
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12. You don't have the option of 6 to 8 years.
It took about 10 years to get out of the 1st RepubliCON Great Depression. It will take just as long to get out of this one.

Everyone knows that the 9 to 10% they are reporting is severely underestimating the true unemployment levels. When 6 people are applying to every job opening that means 5 people will remain unemployed.

There is no way for this US economy to generate new jobs (we need at a minimum of 11 million right now). The whole system is broken. Jobs are moving out of the US and they will stay there. Corporations are downsizing and under paying. There is no magical job machine that will restore this economy.



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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:25 AM
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25. But sadly there are not a small number of people in this country that would
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 10:39 AM by RKP5637
vote in a loser like Sarah Palin, for example, because they think she could just magically fix everything immediately.

Many Americans just don't seem to get it... R's and greed broke the job machine. There is no linkage to an abundance of jobs and a strong economy. There is no linkage to a good market for Wall Street and a strong economy for more jobs.

We used to have a balance in this country between opportunity, jobs and a strong economy. They managed to break the mold, and once broken none is going to parade in and magically glue it back together.

When you have such an ignorance in this country that many believe their taxes have gone up drastically under Obama, you have sheer ignorance and a willingness to be ignorant.

And many will fall for the boring R line that what we need are taxes reduced for the wealthy. So many believe this shit that the country is taking on an aroma of shit smell IMO.

Meanwhile jobs ship out of the country. American companies invest in their infrastructure outside of the country and hence more jobs outside of the US. And worker productivity increases meaning even less jobs. And fools like Greenspan having said at one time the problem is Americans are not educated. I have friends with several PhD's out of work... I guess even that is not enough education. This place is F'ed and needs a drastic paradigm shift, otherwise, we will be the servants to the rest of the world as the rest walk right past the US in the 21st century IMO.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:46 AM
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13. From -700K jobs per month to +160K.... that *IS* a significant improvement

It's a 900K swing in the right direction in one year.

It's not as good as it needs to be... but the way you framed your question, the answer is.... it already has happened.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:50 AM
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14. Respectfully, How Can You Say It Has Significantly Improved
How can you say it has significantly improved when nearly one in five Americans is unemployed, underemployed, or too discouraged to look?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:51 AM
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15. Because of where it was a year ago

It has much more improvement to go.... but it has significantly improved.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:02 AM
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18. It Was 8.6% In March Of 09
A lot of those 160,000 jobs were temporary census jobs. Even the CBO says it will be > 8% in 2012.

I don't blame President Obama. But to say the job environment is anything but dismal is disingenuous.


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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:02 AM
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16. First Quarter 2012
But I think we're going to see a new "normal," maybe 7% as opposed to the 5.6 number.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:27 AM
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20. Agreed
Perhaps second quarter 2012 is when people will realize that we've got 'full' employment back, by that I mean the level that Bill Clinton got it up to in his second term.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:02 AM
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17. One trend that doesn't get discussed much is huge gains in productivity
which means far more output per hour. Which means fewer workers put out far more goods or services. Which means fewer workers needed.
We really need a real public jobs program.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:30 AM
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21. There's one big reason for the gains in productivity
Companies have gotten rid of their deadwood. You know, the person who got (and kept) a job purely because of family connections, especially to a supplier or customer, and the ones routinely goofed off or were always on sick leave.

Cut the staff down to those who are actually doing the work, and of course you have productivity gains, especially when the doers are not de-motivated by having to watch all the slackers get by.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:32 AM
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22. Wow- The 11,000,000 People Who Lost Their Jobs Were Slackers
Serves them right.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:01 PM
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28. No, I certainly did not say that
but among those who lost jobs, there were indeed slackers and other deadwood. Drag them out, and the productivity of the rest of the staff goes up.

Many good, productive, and useful people all got caught up in this, I hope they can find a way to distinguish themselves when job searching.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:35 AM
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27. Exactly!!! In fact in my mind a "real" public jobs program would be standard
fare. I'm neither against private enterprise nor "fair" capitalism... however, I think we need a hybrid approach to the jobs solution. IMO I see no difficulties at all in having a permanent "real" public jobs program. Productivity is only going to continue to grow, so the entire notion of what a job means, how created, how financed needs to be entirely rethought for the 21st century. For the most part it has always been haphazard. I think those days are gone.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:10 AM
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19. I voted 4th qtr 2010
as I will likely be hiring 1 or 2 people back in Oct. I know a few other small business people who are already rehiring and I also know some who are going belly-up but to make the blanket statement that no jobs will be coming back is wrong.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:02 AM
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24. Um, that wasn't Billy Joel in "Allentown," it was Bruce Springsteen in "My Hometown."
Just sayin'. Although "Allentown" covered a lot of the same territory.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:27 AM
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26. When wages are lowered enough to satisfy the Capitalists.
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