Christian Right Fail: "The Founding Fathers experienced religious oppression in England"

Another Christian Rightist who thinks the Founding Fathers came over on the Mayflower apparently.

Yesterday, a federal judge in Wisconsin ruled that the National Day of Prayer was unconstitutional and, not surprisingly, the Right has been outraged.

This is what Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association had to say:

"A federal judge ruled Thursday that the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional because it violates the Constitution's prohibition against the government establishment of religion.

It is so easy to refute this judge on constitutional grounds that a caveman could do it.

Shoot, you don't even need the caveman. The Geico lizard probably knows more about the Constitution than this benighted, misguided, robe-wearing tyrant.

"Establishment" had a quite technical definition at the time of the founding. It meant to grant one specific Christian denomination preference in law, make it the official church of a nation or state, and compel people to support it through their taxes.

The Founders had observed what happened in England with an established church, the Church of England. Many of them experienced the religious oppression that accompanied an official national denomination, fled to America for freedom, and determined that the fledgling nation would not repeat the mistakes of the mother country."

There's just one problem with this:

Ben Franklin was born in Massachusetts.

John Adams was born in Massachusetts.

John Hancock was born in Massachusetts.

George Washington was born in Virginia.

Thomas Jefferson was born in Virginia.

James Madison was born in Virginia.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/history-so-easy-caveman-can-do-it

"National religion" only means one certain denomination of "Christian" religion cannot be granted preference. Arrrggghh! They make my head hurt.

They place the blame of this federal court decision on this administration.

'Cept they can't.

Freedom From Religion initiated the suit in federal district court during the Bush Administration.

The none of the judges on the circuit court were Obama appointees. Matter of fact, 122 judicial vacancies are languishing and waiting for Obama to get judges seated.

That would be an easier game show for those who have already discovered that they are NOT as smart as an eight-grader.

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from the "GEICO lizard."

much like these teabaggers are now trying to impose on everyone else.

So, as usual, their argument is not even an argument, but a delusional rambling not even worthy of debate.

is defined as "early settlers" to them. They have no idea what they are talking about. If there was any persecution of religion it was done between sects not by non-believers. RI was started by Quakers run out of MA - at least I think it was.

Roger Williams left MA and founded the first Baptist Church.

Quakers had Pennsylvania (William Penn), and catholics founded Maryland.

Don't have a founding father quote to support your position, just make one up.

Historical facts don't back your position, just make shit up about history.

What fuckwits.

Pilgrims, Founders - same difference.

LOL!

Seriously, every time one of them talks about "the founders", just ask them, "Which founder?"

It's funnier than Sarah Palin trying to name a newspaper.

they mean the men that wrote the Declaration and Constitution, headed the Revolution, and consolidated the colonies. They're talking about puritans and pilgrims!

Unless the Founding Fathers were at least 150 years old, they had *not* fled religious oppression in England.