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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:59 PM
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US Govt Admits Most Piracy Studies Are Nonsense (i.e. media companies whine too much)
http://www.osnews.com/story/23153/US_Government_Admits_Most_Piracy_Studies_Are_Nonsense

US Government Admits Most Piracy Studies Are Nonsense
posted by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Apr 2010 11:50 UTC

A major setback for those that claim piracy is having an adverse affect on the US economy: the US Government Accountability Office, who was tasked with reviewing the efforts to find out what, if any, impact piracy has on the US economy, has concluded that all of these studies - all of them - are bogus. Better yet - the GAO even goes as far as to say that piracy may have a positive effect on the economy.

Over the course of the years, we've been subjected to numerous doom and gloom studies from organisations like the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA, which contained figures supposedly coming from government sources. These reports would get widespread coverage in the media and would influence government policy regarding IP enforcement to a rather great degree.

Consequently, US Congress decided back in April 2009 to task the Government Accountability Office with investigating these reports to assess their validity. Released Monday, the report tears all of these reports to shreds, and I'm not overstating things here; the validity of each and every one of these reports is highly questionable, according to the GAO.

Of the three most often-cited studies, the GAO states that they "cannot be substantiated due to the absence of underlying studies. Each method (of measuring) has limitations, and most experts observed that it is difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the economy-wide impacts." They state that the oft-made assumption that each pirated product constitutes a lost sale is just an "assumption". Some figures used in the reports were attributed to the FBI, to which the FBI replied they have no records of said figures. Loosely translated: big content made them up.

Furthermore, the GAO even concludes that piracy may have a positive effect on the economy, for instance because it leaves consumers with more money to spend elsewhere. On top of that - and I personally believe this is a far more important aspect that gets deliberately neglected by the content industry - people may use illegal downloading to sample content. In other words, without such sampling, they would be buying less media, not more. (more at link
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:05 PM
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1. each pirated product constitutes a lost sale is just an "assumption".
So true.

A college kid that "pirates" an MP3 of an album would likely just do without if they couldnt download it.

At that point its not a lost sale, its a lost advertising opportunity since that student one day will have the money to buy better than MP3 quality music of those artists they became familiar with through downloading.

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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:56 PM
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5. So true
I have bought many albums, and singles, of a German reggae band and a German reggae singer strictly based on music I heard that I had to download, because I was under 18, didn't have a credit card obviously, and they did not have hard copies available here.

So I "stole" their music, and then over the years since have spent crazy amounts of money on Amazon buying all of their albums and singles I could get ahold of.

I also frequently download albums I have already bought, sometimes more than once. There's only so many times you can buy Restless or Till Shilo before your wallet can't justify the expense anymore. I have a hard time believing any jury would convict someone of piracy of music they have bought on two separate occasions before.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:09 PM
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2. I've been saying that for years.
Downloading serves the purpose now that FM radio used to serve back in the late 70's before corporate radio took over. And back then, there were occasions when I would record things off the radio onto cassette tape. Like when the FM station played a "leaked" album in its entirety 6 weeks before its commercial release. And then when that day came, I bought the vinyl. No brainer, the record was gonna sound better.

Just like when the Mp3 version of the leaked album finds its way to the internet now. And guess who leaks it? Yep. It's the labels themselves. Just like it was in 1979.

Now on the other hand, the other thing the labels always bitched about was bootleg sales. Well guess what, corporate clowns? Since the invention of high speed internet, bittorrent, and lossless FLAC files, there ain't no profit in bootlegging anymore. Everybody trades freely online. With the full blessing of many musical artists, no less.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:14 PM
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6. Not Exactly
With radio, you got to hear a song, for free, but rarely did you get to hear what you wanted, exactly when you wanted. If you wanted to retain the song - ie, tape it for later playback - you had to put in the effort to be around when it came on and record. You had to make *some* investment.

As for your claim there's no profit in bootlegging, if that were true, Pandora's creative team would never have seen the investors to keep them in Starbucks. If there were no profit in distributing music, even freely online, internet start-ups wouldn't be lining up for investment dollars.

Individual piracy, itself, doesn't have a great effect but IMO, the philosophy that music, video, literature and other goods that become intangible when they're distributed across mass media should be available on demand, free of charge, has an overall detrimental effect and devalues these as a whole.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:46 PM
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3. Here's the PDF, saved elsewhere so they don't throw it down the memory hole:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:49 PM
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4. Piracy is a scapegoat for executives to explain lower than expected earnings
to shareholders.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:17 PM
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7. That won't stop them from approving ever more draconian measures pushed by big media corp.s
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 05:19 PM by kenny blankenship
The overlap and synergy between the desire of law enforcement to surveil everything that passes over the internet along with all locally stored computer data, and the desire by Big Media to stamp out copying is too happy an accident to be stopped now.

None of it is in the interest of the public as consumers or citizens, but politicians see only a strengthened grip on the populace and burgeoning donations from multi-bazillion dollar media companies. You don't have to have a crystal ball to figure out which way this will go.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:33 PM
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8. European Parliament opposes ACTA.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 05:42 PM by Grand Taurean
http://www.osnews.com/story/23002/Obama_Sides_with_RIAA_MPAA_Backs_ACTA
So this is dead then because there is no effective way to enforce these rules if Europe will not cooperate.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:40 PM
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9. but the MPAA showed me a stuntman looking grimly into the camera
as though he got such a nice share of box-office sales that it actually mattered to his well-being

filming movies is like strangling his daughter, that was the MPAA's message
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:30 PM
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13. ...
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:45 PM
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10. How is this not fraud?
Some figures used in the reports were attributed to the FBI, to which the FBI replied they have no records of said figures. Loosely translated: big content made them up.

When these studies are pushed by the **AA to try and set copyright and other IP laws, knowing that they've made them up out of whole cloth and attributed things to agencies in order to make the lies look more officious, how is this not perpetrating a fraud upon Congress and the courts? At the very least, it's outright contempt for Congress.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:33 AM
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11. Misrepresenting the FBI does look somewhat serious to me.
</understatement>

I don't know what law you could pin on them, though, since IANAL.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:35 AM
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12. I prefer the term Privateer
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