Alienation is not the way to move forward.

The questions keep popping up. "Would you rather have seen McCain in office"? You want Palin in 2012? Did you not get your pony?

*Sigh*.. The level of condescension towards anyone who dares speak out against certain Obama policies has reached a new low. Today a group of people who are sick and tired of waiting for it to become politically expedient to receive their equal rights under the constitution showed up at an Obama rally. In the past they made their voices heard. They held rally's, they wrote letters, e-mails, they made phone calls. They used the system the way it was supposed to be used to make their voices heard.

What did they get for their trouble? Nothing. More empty promises. More empty rhetoric. More waiting.

So they got out today and took the battle, the battle for their basic human fucking rights, right to the Presidents face. Of course they were once again promised, that if they just wait, for god knows fucking what, they will get their rights.

You know what? I am fucking sick of GLBT's having to "wait" for their rights. This is bullshit. And what is going to happen is they won't do it this year because of elections. Then next year there will be "more important things" and then the next year will again be an election year. Just how fucking long are people going to have to "wait"?

But the waiting is not the worst of it. What's worse is having no solidarity. I have seen posts and liberal blogs today that all but call those "hecklers" "uppity homos".

Yeah, keep separating us. Keep telling liberals that they need to get with the program. Alienate us even more. It's a hell of a plan. Then when you lose the election you can blame the people you alienated for not supporting your candidate. It's fucking brilliant. Really.

Let the unrecs begin.

Something tells me that the "moderates" who oppose civil rights aint gonna show when comes to wallet-opening time. That's where you come in....

As compared to true progressive moderates who support civil rights?

How many of the so-called Moderates & independents donate to DEMS, campaign for DEMS, put signs in their yards, etc?

I hear ya, but if moderates & independents are going to be our new base-and if every decision DEMS makes hangs on what they think, then maybe they should get off their asses and start working for our party? Just a thought.

If we are going to be a party for centrists, then maybe the god-damned centrists need to do some of the work? Frankly, I don't see that happening...

And I beat the streets, manned the phones and donated to Obama. Maybe that's why I'm so frustrated.

Everyone I've ever been associated with was a Liberal. That's why all the "far left" as the bad guy crap on DU really freaks me out. At actual DEM meetings, I've never heard anyone insulting Liberals-even in Georgia.

liberals never changed their basic values. The party changed and kept moving to the right, so anyone who was considered a "liberal" now falls under the category of "far left loony". We hold firm and watch while the line keeps moving further and further away.

I ended it by saying if they keep moving the line I'm going to end up in the loony bin.

After all the things we did just to impress them.

What is funny to me is that the DLC types are already blaming "Liberals" in advance in case we lose seats in '10, as opposed to blaming the "centrists" who are supposed to take us over the top.

Even in this thread, pro-civil rights DEMS are characterized as "extortionists" while lazy, closed-check booked "moderates" who may or may not vote DEM, and who certainly wont lift a finger for us, are treated like VIPs.

"If I don't get everything I want, I'm gonna sit out/vote Green and ensure the Rethugs get elected!!!"

Nice extortion threat.

Way to build bridges!!!!

And your post is confirmation of the OP.

Seems to me that we should be more upset at "centrists" & "moderates" who are threating to vote against DEMS- especially after all we did to try to impress them.

Or is the "extortion" label only for people who support civil rights?

If DEMS lose seats or lose over-all in 2010, shouldnt we blame the so-called "moderates" & "centrists" who go much attention but refused to show up, as opposed to the far-left- who got far-less attention from DEMS?

with your right wing "reversal of reality" bullshit. Yeah it's those uppity homos who aren't getting their rights who are the problem here. Not people like you who have their noses shoved so far up the Democrats ass that a persons basic rights have become a "pony".

Basic human rights are an issue for me. Call it a pony, call it extortion, call it what you will. Maybe if you fucking bothered to stand up for what's right then I wouldn't have anything to worry about. Talk about not building bridges. :eyes:

Sticking to principles isn't wanting a fucking "pony".

Thanks for putting my perspective - and many others - into words. :applause: :hi:

Unfortunately, there is a ferociously homophobic little band of posters who routinely demean and harrass the LGBT community here (and their straight allies). Amazing that they have the balls to call themselves Democrats.

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