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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:20 PM
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From Joe.My.God. ~ And WE'RE The Perverts?
The Supreme Court has overturned a 13-year ban on "crush videos" saying the ban violated freedom of speech. Never heard of crush videos? Me neither. It turns out some heterosexual men are thrilled by the sight of women crushing small animals to death with their stiletto heels or bare feet. And they'll pay to see it.

Chief Justice John J. Roberts Jr., writing for an eight-member majority, said the law was overly broad and not allowed by the First Amendment. He rejected the government's argument that whether certain categories of speech deserve constitutional protection depends on balancing the value of the speech against its societal costs. "The First Amendment's guarantee of free speech does not extend only to categories of speech that survive an ad hoc balancing of relative social costs and benefits," Roberts wrote. "The First Amendment itself reflects a judgment by the American people that the benefits of its restrictions on the Government outweigh the costs. Our Constitution forecloses any attempt to revise that judgment simply on the basis that some speech is not worth it." Animal rights groups and 26 states had joined the Obama administration in support of the 1999 law. They argued that videos showing animal cruelty should be treated like child pornography rather than granted constitutional protection. But Roberts said the federal law was so broadly written that it could include all depictions of killing animals, even hunting videos.

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More on the SCOTUS decision from WaPo:
Supreme Court voids law aimed at banning animal cruelty videos

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Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. was the lone dissenter.

"The First Amendment protects freedom of speech, but it most certainly does not protect violent criminal conduct, even if engaged in for expressive purposes," Alito wrote.

David Horowitz, executive director of the Media Coalition, said in response to the ruling: "We are gratified that the justices soundly rejected the government's invitation to create a new exception to the First Amendment. As today's ruling demonstrates, if the Court were to rewrite the First Amendment every time an unpopular or distasteful subject was at issue, we wouldn't have any free speech left. We continue to believe that animal cruelty is wrong and should be vigorously prosecuted, but as the Court today found, sending people to prison for making videos is not the answer."

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The Humane Society of the United States said it was disappointed by the ruling but found hope in the majority's statement that it was not deciding whether a narrow statute targeting "crush videos" might be constitutional.

"The Supreme Court's decision gives us a clear pathway to enact a narrower ban on the sale of videos depicting malicious acts of cruelty, including animal crush videos and dogfighting," Wayne Pacelle, president and chief executive of the Humane Society of the United States, said in a statement. "Congress should act swiftly to make sure the First Amendment is not used as a shield for those committing barbaric acts of cruelty, and then peddling their videos on the Internet."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/20/AR2010042001980.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:25 PM
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1. How much you wanna bet Scalia and/or Thomas have hours of these vids squirrled away at home?
Right next to the Gitmo torture tapes (which were a gift from Cheney).
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:37 PM
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4. +1 and Bwah! nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:37 PM
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5. "Squirreled" away
:scared:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:27 PM
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2. as I recall, Dahmer didn't start out killing people ... he started out killing small animals
and enjoying that ...

then again, you can blow up frogs with firecrackers, and people will say you can be President on your own merits, not because your daddy was President and appointed one of the SCOTUS justices who handed you the presidency ...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:36 PM
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3. Isn't animal cruelty against the law? Seriously, besides the obvious, how does this differ from
this differ from snuff films?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:03 PM
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8. Having sex for money is against the law in most places also..
Unless you do it on camera for a video or movie when it then becomes protected speech..

I see the logic behind the ruling and reluctantly agree with it even though I consider myself an animal lover with my two utterly spoiled small dogs in my lap as I type this.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 10:33 PM
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11. Good analogy -- and I also reluctantly agree, I guess.
Gotta protect the free speech even if we don't like the speech. I hope all those viewers who dig this and those chicks who are doing the stomping get food poisoning.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:41 PM
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6. The law was written too vaguely and slippery
It could outlaw a video made by hunters out hunting during deer season.

The court's language left room for a new law to be enacted that is not so vague and broad.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:18 PM
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15. I don't think it would outlaw a deer hunting video
The statute specifies that the activity being filmed must be illegal in the jurisdiction where it takes place. Deer hunting is legal everywhere. However the statute still leaves a lot to interpretation, so you just have to trust the feds not to abuse it which is not such a great idea.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:55 PM
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7. wrong post...sorry
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 08:56 PM by Walk away
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:04 PM
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9. this was an *8-to-1* decision. that's the first hint that it probably has some merit.
i haven't had a chance to dig into the details of the case yet, but the assertion that the law was overly broad leaves room for a later law to ban the more despicable videos while leaving alone non-erotic, non-cruel, legal hunting videos and such.

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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 10:48 PM
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13. The 2nd hint was that Justice Alito was the lone dissenter
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:50 PM
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10. Ugh. Never thought I'd agree with Alito on anything, but...
I don't give a shit if the law was written vaguely. Crushing animals for sexual enjoyment is not free speech, it's animal cruelty and should be prosecuted as such. And the sick fucks who get off on this should be chemically castrated. But then, that's what I'd recommend for rapists and pedophiles, too.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 10:40 PM
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12. This is an outrage! How could anyone on this site condone this?
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 10:58 PM
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14. false dichotomy fail
Just because someone doesn't agree with the law, doesn't mean they condone squishing cute little animals with a stiletto. The law was poorly written and that's why it failed.
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