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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:53 PM
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School rejects prom escort for teen as 'too old', brother back from Iraq
Brother just back from Iraq denied as prom date for teen

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - A Lincoln County high school student was told she could not be escorted to her prom by her brother because he is too old.

Jennifer Martin, a senior at East Lincoln High School was looking forward to being escorted by her brother, a specialist in the army, who was just back from Iraq.

"I loved it," said Martin as she recalled how she felt when her mom Dawn Winchester suggested she go with her older brother. "I got excited right off the bat."

But East Lincoln High administrators told Winchester 'no' because her brother is 23 years old. Lincoln County Schools will not allow anyone over the age of 20 to attend a school prom.

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"If we made an exception for this student, we would be crossing a line that would be very difficult to maintain in the future," Sain said to us off camera.

Sain also said anyone over 21 would have access to alcohol and was concerned about a 23-year-old being around teenage girls.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12325797
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:55 PM
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1. It sounds silly, but that's a good rule. But they should make an exception in this case. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:14 PM
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10. Tell me about it. My son was still doing proms at age 24. I ..
finally had a talk with him at that point. :eyes:
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:55 PM
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2. And he should get a free shot because he was in Iraq?
:shrug: or what is the point? The rule makes sense in a certain kind of way.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:31 PM
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13. He should get a free shot because he's her brother.
The school could have handled this as an exception and made the brother agree in writing to any set of stipulations they felt necessary such as no drinking before or during the prom, no ferrying of other students before, during, or after the event, and maybe posting a cash bond to show that he's serious about those commitments.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:14 PM
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33. ...and his penis will not work around other teenage girls?
Sisters are like chastity belts? Ha!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:57 PM
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35. Every year above teenager, the odds that his penis isn't in charge improves.
However, asking for a cash bond to prove that he's serious about agreeing to their terms is one way of improving the chances that the big brain will be in charge.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:55 PM
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3. I think their concerns are legitimate overall, even if this guy is ok.
I side with the school here.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:56 PM
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4. Why don't they just have these things without escort?
Let people go to them singly.

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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:56 PM
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5. Because her "exception" is a soldier, we are supposed to ignore the rules? Wonder how many
here will take up the cause?

And how many would not if the brother was a 23-year old who had been in prison serving a term for an anti-war protest?

Rules are rules.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:57 PM
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6. Why should there be special treatment for military people?
Someone who is over 20 probably should not be going to a highschool dance anyway.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:57 PM
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7. That would be great for her and her brother, but the rule should be enforced. n/t
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:57 PM
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8. Sounds like a legit policy.
Proms are for teenagers.

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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:00 PM
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9. I know she's disappointed, but the rule is reasonable.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:17 PM
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11. It's a good rule--he can go to the afterparty. n/t
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:27 PM
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12. How about they keep their rule but exempt brothers to allow them to go with their sisters
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:37 PM
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24. I think "rogue older brothers" are precisely the guys this rule is targeting.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:40 PM
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14. Don't they have chaperones
at the prom?

If so, is there a minimum age for them ?

I can see a rule that everyone attending has to be either a student at that school, or under 18.

But school officials wouldn't have any say over the actions of an 18- or 19- year old who doesn't attend the school, either. So why let them attend, but not a 23-year old.

The alcohol excuse sounds logical on the surface, but I presume it's illegal to bring alcohol onto the school's property anyway.

I feel a lot of sympathy for the young woman. If we hadn't been able to bring college-student dates, I would have missed the prom in both my junior and senior years. In fact so would many of my friends; almost everyone who wasn't a member of one of the two high-prestige cliques.

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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 05:00 PM
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28. I've been a chaperone at a prom......
Last minute, friend of mine who teaches at a local high school broke her ankle.

She calls me. I've been a teacher, know the principal, have the state trooper certifications that say I am not a child molester or a drunk, or a child-beater--that they know of.

I think that's why I was 'okay.' I had the paper.

What a crazy night that was....
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:43 PM
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15. It's a good rule...and, what I wanna know is why does this country put so much emphasis on freaking
proms????

If so much emphasis wasn't put on young girls/guys having to go to their prom (yes I went to my prom) we wouldn't have issues like this.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:59 PM
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17. Proms are a rite of passage and considered special. n/t
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:02 PM
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18. Not in my world, they're not. And that doesn't answer my question.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 04:03 PM by ScreamingMeemie
Why are they a rite of passage? They shouldn't be. Everyone who doesn't attend/get invited to their prom doesn't get to "passage" on to adulthood? BS.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:28 PM
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19. I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally...
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 04:28 PM by cynatnite
For many they are because it's like the last harrah of being young and free. For me, it was the chance to be with friends who I had gone through high school with. We would all be going our separate ways and we wanted our time together to last as long as possible and to have as much fun as possible. It's a lot of things for different people. A rite of passage being one of them.

I can't speak to those who didn't get to attend their prom. My daugher didn't get asked to her prom. Her and four friends got together, rented a limo, and went. They didn't need to be asked. It was her prom and the lack of a date wasn't going to stop her. She'll tell you she had the time of her life.

If someone feels this way about their prom...I don't fault them for it...nor should you.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:43 PM
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25. I told you why. I am sick of people taking the freaking prom so serious.
I don't care whether a person goes to their prom or not. My niece did not go because no one asked her, and many schools don't allow for stag attendance. It is wonderful that your daughter was allowed to do so. We need to put this in perspective. Prom is a dance, not a rite of passage. A dance, that too many have put too much emphasis on.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:44 PM
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26. In your opinion it is not...for others that is not the case...it is serious for them. n/t
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:26 PM
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29. And you apparently had a problem with my opinion.
:shrug:

Too freaking serious about a dance.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:10 PM
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31. I relayed different opinions about the prom...
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 07:10 PM by cynatnite
that was all. If it's just a dance to you...why should you care that high school kids take it more seriously? :shrug:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:56 PM
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16. Did they have chaparones at the Prom that were
about his same age? Wouldn't the same excuses given for not allowing him to go apply to them?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:29 PM
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20. I think you point out an important point.
If proms were more of a community event, then this kind of weeding out might not be necessary.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:33 PM
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23. The chaperones are there in a different context
not as peers freaking with the kids on the dance floor.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:30 PM
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21. Unfortunate but reasonable.
:shrug:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:31 PM
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22. I'm fine with the rule.
I don't think we need adults mixing as peers with teens in a deliberately romantic environment at school-sponsored functions.

Having been a teen once myself, I can see how easily the "but he's my sibling" exemption could be manipulated once door was cracked open.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:51 PM
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27. Too many people here are missing the point here.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 04:51 PM by RC
The arbitrary age of 20 is because you can LEGALLY buy alcohol at 21. That is a dumb reason for the age cutoff. 15 year olds can get alcohol if they want it. From their parents liquor of the parents of a friend cabinet, if nowhere else.
That is the problem with absolute rules. You can't make exceptions when they are justified.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:31 PM
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30. Why would someone just back from Iraq want to go to Prom with sibling ?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:12 PM
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32. Love of family?

:shrug:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:20 PM
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34. What kind of 23-year-old actually says YES to a prom??
Much less one with his SISTER?? I had to be dragged to mine as an 18-year-old senior...

The school system did him a favor...Would the boys from the base EVER let him live that one down??
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:32 PM
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36. My high school did not allow anyone to attend with a non-student (regardless of age) .
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 08:33 PM by SoCalDem
and only seniors could attend the senior prom..juniors only at the junior prom..

People who were dating "out of their class" either went stag, went with a platonic date , or they did not attend..

It was okay, and no one had any real problems with it.. but then we had our prom in the high school gym..sophomores did the decorating for the junior prom & juniors decorated for the senior prom.

There were no limos, helicopters or fancy banquets.. Just a few hours of prom, and then off to the after-parties:evilgrin:



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