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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:01 PM
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How BIG is "Too Big to Fail"?
With the focus on regulating the BIG Wall Street Banks, this is an important question.
How BIG is TOO BIG?

This transcript from last Friday's Bill Moyers Journal can provide some insight.
Watch the Show (recommended) or READ the transcript here:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04162010/transcript3.html


According to Simon Johnson and James Kwak, authors of 13 BANKERS,
the limit SHOULD be set at $100 Billion Dollars, and let the Banks themselves figure out how to meet that limit.

Right Now, several of the Banks are over the $Two Trillion Dollar mark, and there is talk in Washington of setting the limit at the existing size which wold be a HUGE Cop Out. This avenue WILL appeal to many Democrats who would like the "sound Byte" of "Capping the Banks" without causing their best contributors ANY discomfort.

Will The Democrats go to bat for the Working/Middle Class (the lower 98%)?
Or, will they hype a phony "reform" that does little to upset the $Money$ Machine?

We will see.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:04 PM
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1. The size of the bank is based on the number of politicians they have
once you get enough politicians in your pocket, you're "too big to fail" regardless of how much you have in assets.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:12 PM
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2. Nothing is too big to fail. You just have to let them fail. If Citi, WellsFargo, or GM had failed
someone would have bought up the profitable pieces. The US government can fail. Very evident by people buying CDS on US treasury notes.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:09 PM
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5. In most ways, I agree with you.
I was strongly opposed to the bailouts, considered it a scam.


This was discussed at the link in the OP.
It is well worth the look.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04162010/transcript3.html

The point is, there is NOW momentum for capping the size of these banks.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:15 PM
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7. The private capital markets were not functioning properly in the back half of 2008.
Without the government guarantees, nobody was going to touch those financial institutions. I don't think a lot of people remember just how broken the wheels of finance were just 17 months ago.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:16 PM
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3. Me
I'm exactly the right size: Too big to fail, too small not to fail. So, since I must succeed or the terrorists win, we need emergency legislation authorizing massive expenditures to make sure I don't fail. Call it the Gratuitous Shoveling of Money out of the Treasury Act.

Wait, that won't work; didn't we already use that legislation title for the Iraq invasion and occupation? Darnie.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:26 PM
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4. How dishonest and greedy is "too" dishonest and greedy? n.t.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:13 PM
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6. Thank God It Passed..
I remember the flood of joy that suffused DU that day..
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:18 PM
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8. I supported and still support the "bail outs", but I always thought a regulatory bill had to
accompany the bail out or the impetus for reform would be lost. Sure enough, that's what happened. The bail outs worked. The financial markets were restored to normal function and the government didn't lose much at it either. However, the best moment for reform was lost because the politicians did not act.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:20 PM
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9. The politicians did what their owners wanted..
There will be no meaningful regulation, the owners don't want it.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:38 PM
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11. The problem with your analysis....
...is that the Bailout Money was NOT used for the purposes it was demanded.
If the money was NOT used for the purposes stated in Paulson's Extortion Demand,
then the threat was bogus.
QED
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Naturalist111 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:21 PM
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10. The Sun
:-)
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