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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:15 PM
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"You cannot have a rational discussion with a man who prefers shooting you over..."
"...being convinced by you."

-Karl R. Popper, in The Open Society and It's Enemies.

I think this quote describes the Teabaggers pretty well..
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:54 PM
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1. RKBA for self defense is supported by such illustrious Dems as Obama who said "I believe in the
Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

Be warned if you want to engage in a duel of anti-RKBA quotes with Dems who are pro-RKBA you are going to join the ranks of other DUers who have lost that exchange..

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:59 PM
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2. Now go try arguing politics with a wingbagger and see how far you get..
When people are totally closed to facts and immune to logic there is simply no means of convincing them of anything.

The OP wasn't about the second amendment, it was about the futility of arguing with those who have completely closed minds.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:07 PM
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3. Sadly there are just as many in both parties who "are totally closed to facts and immune to logic".
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 09:07 PM by jody
IMO that's why these United States are fast approaching a condition where they are ungovernable under our Constitution at the federal level.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:14 PM
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4. I agree that there are some on the left that are closed minded..
But the percentage is far lower on the left than the right, the right has the Beck-Hannity-Limbaugh propaganda axis pumping out misinformation and disinformation on a daily, if not hourly basis, the left really has nothing comparable.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:16 PM
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5. Interesting WAG re percentage. Do you have any stats to support that or just IMO? n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:35 PM
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7. Just show me an equivalent propaganda machine on the left to Fox News on the right..
The right is almost totally divorced from reality these days and one of the prime reasons they are is that the right has a propaganda TV network all its own as well as a radio network, Clear Channel doing the same thing.

All you had to do was watch the Republican presidential primary debates in 2008 and see their candidates deny evolution to realize that the right categorically rejects the very basis of modern medical science.

Listen to Sarah Palin speak and then listen to Barack Obama speak, I'm far from an Obot and yet I can tell the difference between someone who is capable of actual thought and someone who can barely utter phrases they've been fed by handlers.

Here's a short list I stole from a blog of things the right is convinced of, can you come up with anything equally whacky from the left?

-stem cell research is murdering babies


-Al Gore is a greater threat to America than climate change


-John Kerry is a war criminal and George Bush is a war hero


-liberals want to teach your kid to be gay


-liberals want to abort your baby


-the estate tax is the greatest infringement on human liberty ever


-we can drill our way to energy independence


-you have to torture people in order to keep America safe


-liberals want to release terrorists into our cities


-only the second half of the first amendment and the second amendment count


-the more you cut taxes, the more money the government will take in


-free markets will handle everything


-evolution is just a “theory”


-liberals hate America


-ACORN stole the 2008 election


-lying about a blowjob is a serious crime, lying about a war is not


-Obama is a socialist Muslim Kenyan



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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:41 PM
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8. In #4 you made an assertion and I asked for support. If you have one I would like to use it in other
discussions.

Sorry you can't support your assertion.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:52 PM
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11. You made an assertion also in # 3..
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 09:53 PM by Fumesucker
Why don't you show me the basis for your assertion?

Or is it only those who disagree with you who have to support their assertions?

Edited to add post number..
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:50 PM
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10. I think you misunderstood the topic, I'm not an anti-gun nut.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 09:51 PM by Odin2005
I was referring to the Teabagger's bone-headedness.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:16 AM
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13. Mea culpa I misunderstood your post. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:31 AM
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14. No problem!
:)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:18 PM
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6. You can't have such a discussion because he shot you, probably because you did not have a gun
yourself :rofl:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:49 PM
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9. No, I have a shotgun and I know how to use it.
:evilgrin:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:23 PM
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12. It is only a matter of hours before you kill someone - those evil guns will make you do it
Trust me, I have good sources here who know ;)
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