I know someone born in Mexico to American parents, who also has sibling

born in Mexico. Both are professionals and one works and lives in Phoenix, Arizona. The original clan comes from New York. Both are very white looking with green eyes and beige hair. My acquaintance goes to Phoenix frequently to visit the sibling. I doubt if either would be stopped in the street for papers. Yet, I asked the person I know if that person had a birth certificate or some proof of citizenship. That person said to me that he/she didn't that he/she knew of and both parents are dead. He/she doubted if the sibling did either. He/she said that maybe a search for birth certificates might be in order. Somehow I doubt if their appearance and accent will cause flags to be raised.

This Arizona legislation is racist to the bone.

worse things will get if the law goes into effect. Wow. Arizona has hit rock bottom.

Their story doesn't make a lot of sense.

Children were born in Mexico. Parents came back with kids after grants finished. Children traveled on parent's passports, which State Department approved. However, what is missing is the documentation that the kids are Americans. They are worried.

You can't get a driver's license without having SOME form of legally acceptable I.D., which can be a birth certificate, a passport (including a foreign passport), a VISA. Whatever they used to get a driver's license would be able to prove who their parents were, and since they are the parents of Americans they would automatically be American no matter where they were born.

Exactly, what did you have to show for your driver's license? All I had to do was fill out a form for my learner's permit with a signature from my teacher. I got fingerprinted and nothing else was demanded from me. After I passed my test I got my regular driver's license which I have had for forty years.

they probably have tightened up.

When I got my license 30 years ago, I had to bring in my birth certificate to prove my age, and one other piece of I.D. (I forget what was on the list). I also needed my birth certificate a few years later when I got married. And then I needed my marriage certificate when I changed my name and moved here. (In order to get a new driver's license, I had to bring in my old state's driver's license along with the marriage certificate.) Were neither of your friends ever married either?

Assuming they really have never had proof of being born to their parents, then they should see if the State Department's records will verify their citizenship (since they were listed on their parents passports).

One is a lawyer and the other is a doctor and both are lily white. They will never be questioned on the streets of Phoenix for the color of their skin, their hairstyle or their shoes, but the fact is that both were born in Mexico and admittedly don't have really good documentation as to their citizenship or even their residency in this country.

I just wonder how they've gotten this far without proof of birth. I've had to order birth certificates for family members fairly frequently for one reason or another. My kids all needed them to get their licenses, and birth certificates used to be sufficient for traveling to Canada. I also needed them to enroll them in school.

Maybe it was the racism of the times back then. Think about it.

status or identify yourself as a citizen.

http://www.supreme.state.az.us/admis/pdf/CR09.pdf

believing he/she was because he/she was told do. If it's accepted, where do you go from there?

You need to provide I.D. One of the forms is a valid driver's license, but it has to have been issued within the past 10 years (which means a birth certificate or comparable proof of birth was probably required to get the license).

"If a citizen of the USA, provide a legible copy of one of these documents: 1) birth certificate issued in a US state, territory or
possession; 2) US passport identification page; 3) valid driver’s license issued by a US state within the past ten years; 4) non-
license identification card issued by a US state within the past ten years; 5) I-9 form with photograph, or 6) US certificate of
naturalization"

mom and dad crossed the border at TJ when they were brought into the country. Have you been at any of the borders?

managed to get his law license without showing a birth certificate, a passport, or a comparable form of I.D.?

But to answer your question, no, I haven't been to the Mexican border. I've often been through the Canadian one, and I always had to bring a birth certificate or passport in case they asked for it. In the past I was sometimes just waved through. Other times I had to show it. But everything changed after 9/11.

professional license, just a green card. However, in the case of these people, their parents were Americans and so it was assumed that they are Americans from birth. I too am an American by birth, born in a foreign country but my parents took the precaution of getting me a certificate of proof of citizenship just in case, which their parents didn't. In 68 years I never had to show it for any reason until I went to renew my passport in 2008, which was way out of date by then. It's the only time I ever have had to show proof even when I got my first passport when I was in the company of my parents back in the nineteen forties. I have never had to show my birth certificate, which right now is in tatters because of it's age and the thin paper it was written on. That is because, I am white and speak fluent Americanized English so no one questions whether I'm American.

Anyway, the point of my post is that you can't randomly go around arresting people who look like a certain stereotype. I and my friends prove that point, that looks are deceiving.

Nevada didn't ask for one in the 90s, for example.

a good five years after I got my license. I think all I needed was my school ID and a note from my mother. A lot of people don't have their birth certificates handy.

of back east. But you did have to have your birth certificate to get married. So if the siblings in this case have ever gotten married, they would have needed a birth certificate, right? I know I did.

for my children, I didn't have to produce birth certificates. And I haven't even seen mine, lol, since I got my passport renewed twenty years ago. But, even though I'm Latina, like Cleita's friends I look white, green eyes and light brown hair. Nobody would stop me in Phoenix, either.

"Also, individuals born outside the United States may be citizens at birth if their parent or parents were citizens at the time of birth and other requirements are met."

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

prove it. They can't prove it looking like an acceptable white American either. Sure, they won't be questioned because they are acceptably white and English speaking. I hope you understand what I am getting at.

to diffuse teaklanner anger. It's sickening.

The people who will be caught up in this just for being brown and having their lives upended and maybe even destroyed is sickening.

(squawk)

was, they can get a certificate proving their birth in this country. If one was born in Mexico, his or her American parent should have obtained a certificate showing that he or she is an American born abroad. That's how I think it works. Not sure. My children have certificates of American citizenship for citizens born abroad. I obtained a certificate from the hospital/city/state (not sure which) in which I was born. So I'm basing my statement on my personal experience.

These aren't the Mexicans that law is going after.

I do my research in Mexico. I cannot tell you how many times I get mistaken for a Mexican while in certain parts of the world(especially in phenotypically "lighter" Guadalajara), because I speak fluent Spanish. I have a bunch of Mexican friends. So, Arizona, are you going to toss me in jail because my skin is dark? Because I'm fucking ITALIAN?

Stupid racist fuckers. (Sorry for the strong language)

Anyone who might look Mexican will be subject to being arrested in Arizona. Before we got married, my Irish husband shared an apartment with another Irish guy from Cork. He was olive skinned with black hair and dark brown eyes. He could pass for a native anywhere in Latin America until he spoke and pure Irish brogue came out of his mouth. This type is quite common in the south of Ireland, what is called a Mediterranean type of European including Italians like yourself. I was shades lighter than him in skin, hair and eyes, yet I'm the one with the Chilean mother. This law is purely racist in origin and I hope Obama steps in and pressures the Governor to veto it.