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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:57 AM Original message |
here are loads of drawings of the Prophet Mohammed |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. The most fundamental Muslims think it is idolatry to depict Mohammed. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's rude. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Wait, are you complaining about it being rude? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. lol!! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Let me clarify... |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Wait, are you complaining about it being rude to people who aren't dicks that don't have it coming? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Yup. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. . |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Its more than rude that they expect us to live by their rules and expectations |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, it's not. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Muslims decry free speech if it is in the least bit critical of islam |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Some muslims do, some muslims don't. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. And you know the artist being depicted is a bigot because? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Because he depicted muslims as terrorists. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. You do realize that each cartoon was done by a different artist? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Tough |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. South Park had images of Jesus fighting with Santa Claus. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Is there anything in Christian canon about not depicted Jesus fighting Santa? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
115. Oh ok. Whatever you say. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. It really pisses them off I do know that. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
7. One thing that kind of boggles my mind is that there's freedom of speech... |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I am Christian, and I can find the humor in shows like South Park |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. And Christians complain about it, and the items |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. complaining is part of free speech |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Then be happy when Muslims complain about it. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. spare me your crap |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Last Temptation of Christ, you say? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
108. An inconvenient counter-example wins you crickets. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. not really |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Well, that does you credit. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. thanks. i have no problem admitting when i am wrong |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. You get points for acknowledging that, and quickly. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. All complained about and withdrawn. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. personally, i am pro free speech |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Well, that's nice. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. but just as people feel free to criticize the US for many of our laws |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I don't think many people do that. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. they don't do that here |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Well, it's a chat site, so people chat. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. when various laws are passed or proposed in the US |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Americans criticize Americans, yes. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. well, then you are in a select group |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Oh I doubt that. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. sorry, i don't play the heckler's veto game |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. No, you just try to start fights. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. no, i respect satire and i have enjoyed south parks' skewering of EVERYBODY |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Again, that's nice. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. whether it's lenny bruce, richard pryor, jon stewart, or south park |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Being in-your-face is very popular in America. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. And blowing stuff up over a cartoon isn't "in your face"? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Are you being forced into being Muslim? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #83 |
125. Being on your knees and licking boot is very popular in Canada. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. "They CAN do so, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD" - that is what a 'right' is |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Your rights end where the other guy's nose begins. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. There's a reason it's "nose" in that phrase, and not "ears" |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Ears are behind the nose. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. If you are broadly defining freedom as the freedom to not be offended by anything, ever |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Exactly. The thing is, the entire universe isn't the "other guy's nose". |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. I agree with you about free speech. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. i wasn;'t aware of the last temptation firebombing thang |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. I think people rioting and blowing shit up over cartoons is fucking ludicrous. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #119 |
126. What was blown up |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Re: Rioting |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
67. Nothing happened? How self serving that is! |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. first of all , there is a difference between publically funding an artist and "silencing " them |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Complaining and bashing are part of free speech. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Then Christians should accept that. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. All religions should accept that. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Why? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. Because no one is required to pay respect to anyone's beliefs. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. So if you were talking to an Orthodox Jew |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
106. Do you mean "if you were having an internet conversation with ..." |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Yes, that's what I mean. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. There is a major difference between complaints and death threats |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Actually they shoot doctors. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Not nearly as often as people are stoned to death, women tortured, etc |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. They've toned it down some from the last 2000 years, |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. As the law of the land? Remember that a basic tenet of islam is that the sharia should be the law |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. There are many varieties of Muslims, |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. You're making the same |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Your govt is stoning gays and adulters? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. I see you have trouble |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Is it your country to decide on? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Again, look at the rates and the role of the state |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I suggest you investigate some history. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I have, and in the modern age, my statements are correct |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Well they aren't in the 'modern age' |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Why does their religion induced backwardness impose any obligation upon the rest of us to accommodat... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Most people call it being polite. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. The demands are far more that politeness |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. You're replying to the wrong person. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #96 |
123. No, it's not human nature. Plenty of people are capable of tolerating speech they find offensive |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. You compare what's happening |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Nothing is happening now that we didn't do ourselves. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. 2000 years is 2000 years |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. And for all that time we've had christian violence. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. I have never seen Family Guy or South Park remove any |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
102. In a free country, both have the same freedom. But Muslims react more violently. Know why? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. Some sects of Fundamentalist Christians don't keep pictures of Jesus either... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. During one of the Caliphates that was Persian ruled, there were HUNDREDS of murals of Mohammed |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. sorry, NOT 'on par with DaVinci's Last Supper' |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Islamic art is an interesting thing. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. That's because depictions of humans are banned. |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
82. Michelangelo's David is superb, |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
116. Why is he on fire? and WTF is that horse-lady thingy he's riding in pic#3? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. 2 points... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
98. first amendment and all. |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
37. My understanding is that this prohibition is not universally held to be truth among all Muslims. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I don't know how interested you are, |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Thanks! Interesting stuff. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. My guess is, it started as an exhortation not to confuse the image of something w/ the thing itself |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. 'dont concretize the symbols' Joseph Campbell...nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #93 |
120. Right. But no one is watching Joe Campbell on DVD and then rioting. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
69. I note that you did not post any actual pics ;) (nt) |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I was being lazy |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I wonder why no one seems him in toast and such? Only Jesus and Mary make the toast rounds (nt) |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
77. Would you refer to Jesus on DU as the "Lord Jesus?" |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. who cares |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
87. am i late? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. No, polite discussion so far. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #99 |
117. i always try to show up prepared. n/t |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
88. Not a big deal that I can see... |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. Pretty Fly for a white guy |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. No graven images is Judeo-Christian. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. luckily I dont live in a theocracy where any laws are forced on me from any book |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
105. Sad fact is that the KSA brand of Islam has won out |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
124. Thanks Man, I'm glad to see this cool old art. |
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