Are we hypocrites?

We hear of someone like white supremacist Richard Barrett being murdered, and some of us rejoice. Say he had it coming. I admit I said he had it coming. I didn't rejoice though. I was saddened that a murder took place. He is scum. Scum of the earth. But we are the party for the people, right? All people. Even those we have strong disdain for.

When Michael Jackson died, some rejoiced (I get the whole child molestation situation). Ugly things were said about Steve Irwin when he died. When Ronald Reagan died, many rejoiced. Anna Nicole Smith... Well you get my drift. Sometimes I feel like we talk out of both sides of our mouths. I am not pointing anyone out by the way. I am guilty of this myself. Is it human nature, or are we so blinded by our politics that we don't care?

Remember even the grossest of people will be mourned when they are gone by their family. I have mourned the loss of a loved one. I am sure all of us have. I am not saying we shouldn't criticize people for their actions, but I have seen many many nasty statements made if they aren't "one of us".

What do you think?

only who is hated differs

e.m. forster.

Maybe it is human nature.

But honestly can't understand the depth and vehemence of feelings on either side when someone you don't know dies. Everyone dies and in the grand scheme, not too much changes in the universe. Why the extreme passion over someone you've never met or spoken to goes?

deleted posts in that thread. They could've been no biggie, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone wished he died because I have seen it here way too often. That makes us look as bad as them, you know?

:shrug:

Hitler, Richard Barrett, Ronald Reagan, Strom Thurmond, Jerry Falwell, Bob Denver, Anna Nicole Smith, Richard Nixon...

Fuck the lot of them.

Why would you add Anna Nicole Smith to that list by the way? What about Saddam Hussein? No mention of him, but Anna Nicole Smith is a certain dick? I don't get it at all.

I don't think we should be saddened by the deaths of people like Hitler, but rejoice? No.

We lambast the other side for stuff like this. Because we don't agree on who the dicks are. It isn't right. Ever.

It's OK to call George Bush a monkey. It's not OK to call Barack Obama a monkey.

You brought up monkey. WTF?

The meaning of the word "hypocrisy" being the most relevant here.

And let me add, not one of DU's finest.

That's a totally not at all rude post right there.

Rude? Well he has that covered.

Remember the qualifier?

Basically, yes. And you don't fit in with what I consider to be a democrat. I consider democrats to be compassionate about humans. Everything you say is the exact opposite.

Based on a misunderstanding of what the word means.

Or "democrat" for that matter.

Another holier-than-thou type who was in no position to talk about other people's reputations.

I second that.

how exactly do you rejoice? Do a little dance, offer a sacrifice.....?

In the case of Jerry Falwell, I posted a gif of a dancing teletubby.

If you celebrate the deaths of others, then you're no different than the people praying for Obama's death or the people who rejoiced when Wellstone's plane crashed. No different. It doesn't matter where you fall in the political spectrum.

I could say that people who don't admit that need serious therapy, but I don't really believe that. While the holier-than-thou stick up the ass types might be obnoxious pissants, that's just a character flaw. Not a mental illness.

Why was she so horrible to you that you were happy for her to die? And leave a brand new baby at that. Maybe she had drug problems, but she could've overcome them. Her child is now motherless. What is to rejoice about that?

She used to fuck that mummy for the inheritance, screwing over his family, then she got the money, and ended up dead after a few years of substance abuse, enabled by people who were also after the money.

:shrug:

A child is now motherless.

If it makes you feel better, I'm completely indifferent to the kid. Which, IMO, is better than pretending to really care about the kid to score some kind of moral brownie point.

Many people get addicted to drugs and booze, and they don't deserve to die because of it.

I am sad that you don't care about the kid. Just because you don't know her doesn't mean you shouldn't give a shit. She is an innocent being.

Let me add that your comments speak volumes about the kind of person you are. Are you sure DU is the site for you?

"Let me add that your comments speak volumes about the kind of person you are. Are you sure DU is the site for you?"

You and me both, your Holiness.

Think about it. Yep.

I think you're claiming you do, but I don't really believe you.

Queen of the High Fructose Corn Poison Plum Fairies, maybe. But not the Sugar Plum Fairies! :evilgrin:

begging for a solution.

Why do you hate Giligan? :shrug:

Best way to explain it. :smoke:

someone will have vicious things to say. I don't get it.

And anyone who disagrees is a freeper.

This is the only mentality that could possibly excuse a murder on the basis of who was murdered.

You need only look down the thread at the Hi Syrup guy to see that. I was around when Ronald Reagan died, and I remember some seriously sick stuff being posted. I can only imagine how disturbing some of the deleted posts were.

Please don't ever group me with the likes of syrup just because we both are dems.

I can't remember his whole "name", and he or she is not worth checking for the name or looking at the profile.

Thanks for your moral courage.

I understand we aren't all the same morally, but I'd like for us all to care more about humans just as humans. Not what they believe. Perfect world, eh?

Not me - I REJOICE when EVIL people are finally DEAD!

Don't like it - BITE ME!

And, NO, we're anything but hypocrits...

I've never rejoiced in anyone's death either. Doesn't mean I was saddened by it, but I never grave dance.

I'd rather not bite you either. But thanks for the offer.

...are cut and pastes from Free Republic even allowed here?

:eyes:

I so wish there was a stupid filter here.

But the second you turn it on and find only five threads in GD left visible (two of which say, "Dupe. Delete."), then what are you going to do?

Probably goes for the lounge too! :spray:

What? Are you new here? Jesus.

Totally based in the ego. Easy to understand why it's done, but that doesn't make it right.

Hypocrite may be the wrong word. Human...that's the right word. Humans are largely a selfish species, driven 99% by ego. Sadly, it's just who we are.

I always remind myself when someone I don't particularly care for dies that someone cared for that person. The pain and grief of losing a loved one isn't something I wish on my worst enemy. I saw some deleted messages in the Brett Michaels thread, and I thought "really? people even have something ugly to say at this time about him?". It got me thinking. And it disgusted me. Humans can suck, I do know that.

You have it. Others would call that enlightened thinking. Removing your self from the equation. Thinking about the whole picture and how one event is interconnected with so many other people and events. Thinking of another being at the same time you think of yourself. Too many people don't have that ability, as shown upthread.

Knowing you, it doesn't surprise me either.

I do know for a fact that you are probably the least selfish person on the planet, so that means a lot coming from you!

the line of those waiting to piss on his grave...

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

Whether or not I HATE what he stands for, he is a human (I think), and he has a family. His wife and his children will grieve him. I've been through that, and like I said, I don't wish it on my worst enemy.

I grieve the passage of.."

Oh, fuck...

Zip...Pissssssss.....

:shrug:

Just as we do when they do it, too. It can be a sick game.

As someone else said, I'm not sure hypocrisy is what it is - it's an irrational, emotional response to something which appears to resolve a problem that creates frustration for us.

So it may be ugly, but it's understandable (if one wishes to understand).

I give everyone here the benefit of the doubt that they were just being spontaneous, and when you're among friends, you should be able to say things like that without such comments precipitating TOO much rancor, since clearly, the victim had done so many awful things, and the comments that were offensive would not have been made in almost any other circumstance.

Peace. :hi:

So it is without hypocrisy that I gladly admit to pissing on Reagan's grave for all eternity. :P


I think I'll write a poem about him.

Hitler> would piss on the motherf*ckers grave if he had one. You talk about someone loved him, so I should feel sorry. What about the 25 million people that other people loved that he took away? The pain he caused, his f*cking death should be world holiday.

Micheal Jackson: didn't care

Nicole smith: didn't care

Richard Barrett: Heard he was an ass, didn't know about him, didn't care.

I don't know these people, and I don't pretend to know them. For me, there is a certain amount of respect due other human beings. But to feel bad for them? I need to know them. I need to know they were good people. I'm not going to find that out through a TV.

Did I feel sorry for her kid? A little, but not more then 5 seconds worth.

I can't solve all the world's problems. I can make my little area of the world better.

I was not happy. I was sad. That a person could be so far off track in their thinking and loose their life for it. Some how some way that person lost something and in the end their life. Sad that our society breeds that type of person.

I was not happy. I was sad. That a person could be so far off track in their thinking and loose their life for it. Some how some way that person lost something and in the end their life. Sad that our society breeds that type of person.


Mods please delete this. Burp in connection I presume.

Don't get caught up in attributing a few people's behavior to the entire community.

Your use of "some" is not specific enough, and after reading the DU rules against call-outs, I can understand. But just because "some" do it, doesn't mean it reflects the behavior of the rest of the crowd.

it stands out more than the decent comments.