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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:04 PM
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Arizona is less than 60% white
I'd expect to see a hefty non-white turnout in November. Whatever I can do to support that ......

This is one of the singularly most offensive laws I can ever in my lifetime recall being passed. In this day and time, it is even more appalling.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:07 PM
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1. +1
:applause:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:07 PM
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2. +2
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:14 PM
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3. Basically everyone has to carry papers - one never knows when you will look illegal
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:14 PM
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25. "Papers" are your driver's license or other gov't id
n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:40 PM
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30. Except when they're not
http://www.azfamily.com/news/91769419.html

by Alicia E. Barrón

azfamily.com

Posted on April 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Updated Thursday, Apr 22 at 3:21 PM

-snip-

3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him.

Jackie tells 3TV, “It's still something awful to be targeted. I can't even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.”

Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:59 PM
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31. The law doesn't go into effect until August
These are the documents that would allow a police officer to presume someone is in this country legally:

-- a valid Arizona driver license

-- a valid nonoperating identification card

-- a valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification

-- any other federal, state or local government issued identification -- but only if obtaining it requires the holder to first prove legal presence in the United States

-- Source: SB 1070

http://www.azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/c5640fb6-7b1f-5286-be2b-0e38d72b1c9e.html
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:15 PM
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35. the requirement to carry papers at all times is a abridgment of rights
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:14 PM
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4. And some chunk of those whites are liberals!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:18 PM
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5. I'm guessing that 40% of whites (min) are liberals or at least Dems and that maybe 2% to 5% ......
..... of non-whites are conservative.

This could well be a catalyst for change - *if* Dens get the vote out.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:40 PM
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9. i wish that was true. unfortunately
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 07:43 PM by DesertFlower
most of the people i know are conservatives. i'm in phoenix. tucson is more democratic.

on edit: democrat terry goddard, our attorney general is running for governor. he was mayor of phoenix when i moved here 20 years ago.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:37 PM
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8. i'm one.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:24 PM
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6. This reminds me of what happened with Prop. 187 in California
Republicans overplayed their hand, the Hispanic vote galvanized and the Republicans lost a lot of ground here that they never got back. This sounds close to a repeat of that, let's hope it is.
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Dramarama Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:43 PM
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10. Maybe +10
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:35 PM
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7. Answer this.........doesn't federal law prevail over state law
so this law will violate civil rights, so how can they enforce it.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:03 PM
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11. That's what courts are for
I don't know the strict, technical answer any more than anyone else does. It **seems** to violate federal law, but who knows?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:08 PM
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15. It should violate the Supremacy Clause
Where federal law trumps state law - and there are cases that don't involve areas the constitution specifically gives to the federal government. the clause on the uniform law of bankruptcy and naturalization means immigration is specifically federal. It could be found unconstitutional right there.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:26 PM
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12. I imagine there will be a concerted effort to register Hispanics and Native Americans
in the state and I'm all for it.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:30 PM
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13. I magine there will be a concerted effort to register Hispanics and Native Americans
in the state - HOORAY!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:34 PM
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14. Aw, come on now Stinky, surely you can understand...
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 08:35 PM by redqueen
after all, we're all naturally racist, we can't help it.

It's something we all must battle, all our lives, the natural tendency to hate others based on their race.

:sarcasm:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:35 PM
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24. That one always gets me.
Racists who think that everyone else is a racist, too. Just that some people are better at hiding it, and the vocal racist is the only honest man in the room.

What can you do except laugh at those people?
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:32 PM
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26. Everyone's a little bit racist
From Avenue Q:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbQiSVeQwVQ&feature=related

;)
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:48 PM
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33. LOL...that was cute. (n/t)
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:09 PM
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16. And I'll bet their coming minority status is closing fast
from reports I've seen about the coming racial demographic shift.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:19 PM
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17. unfortunately, though, the bill will be used to intimidate voters and keep them from the polls
Even without this bill it's a fairly common tactic to spread misinformation about what kind of identification is required at the polling place in order to vote and what the consequences are for not having that identification. If this tactic worked without this law, I'm sure activists on the right will be playing it up big time in Arizona this November.

I hope that, in the long run, you're right and this winds up being a seismic shift in Arizona politics. But it's definitely going to take effort to counter the BS.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:36 PM
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28. Sadly, you are probably correct
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:20 PM
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18. kicking...
:kick:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:22 PM
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19. This is an idiot law only republicans *would* come up with & it will be stuffed...
Where their sun does not shine and that includes sunny Arizona
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:36 PM
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20. I suppose they can
tattoo a cross or somethin' right on all the 'legals' -say their forehead or other noticable place- in AZ and then there will be no controversy... we will always know who is who... anyone w/o the tattoo is exterminated or somethin' like that
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:19 PM
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21. Don't want to cause a stink, but look at these #'s
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 11:20 PM by autorank


You nailed it Stinky. And look at the room for growth in the Latino vote for 2010.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:34 PM
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23. Anybody that can should head out to AZ and register Latino voters.
Of course, I have to wonder if these votes will go missing at the same rate as a black vote in Florida.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:27 PM
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22. Its right up there with DADT and DOMA and the likes of creating second class citizens of
our GLBT Americans.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 PM
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27. Thinkin Sheriff Joe & his minions never read much about Custer
Most other law enforcement departments in AZ seem to be opposed to this stinking piece of crap law. Joe and his thugs just don't get the reality thing. They think they have get out of jail after civil rights abuse cards. They are gonna have some major problems.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:37 PM
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29. Look for massive Dem victories in AZ for the foreseeable future!
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 02:37 PM by DailyGrind51
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:13 PM
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32. So basically we're seeing the scared, wimpy white boy phenomenon
going on there right now? Too many brown people. White people very, very scared. Implement Jim Crow redux. WWB's less scared. All good.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:51 PM
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34. Soon the Bigot State will be forced to enact an apartheid government.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:25 PM
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36. The Question Is Voter Suppression and Intimidation
What if Arizona police decide to start hasseling people of color on election day?
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