What about foreign tourists visiting Arizona?

What proof do they have of being in the US legally?
Could a cop stop a brown skinned tourist and arrest him because he has no proof?

no one will be visiting Arizona from overseas after word of this gets to them. I will be emailing all my European friends and asking them to spread the word.

Arizona is officially a Police State. There's a reason why tourism isn't big in third world dictatorships. So I have a feeling anyone who is dark-skinned, and/or from the ME would want to avoid Arizona from now on. And hopefully the loss of money will help the state return to its senses.

little guys who are hanging on by a thread. Biz has been pretty rough and just starting to pick up.


FU Jan Brewer and all your racist pals.


By squeezing the state...all the poor folks get hit first with loss of work & livelihood.

threat to make sure that these morons are pressured enough that they will abandon this despicable idea.

I know things are not great there. I just left AZ three months ago and have friends there who I know are struggling. That is why it is so irresponsible of those politicians to do this. I know I will not be returning to visit my friends as long as it remains a police state.

I feel sad for all the people in Az who have to deal with this.

We will all be affected one way or the other...some certainly more than others.

I hope it never gets enacted.

:hi:

:hi: :)

to call them, to threaten them with consequences, and hopefully they will come to their senses rather than face the anger of their own people. But doing nothing isn't going to do anything other than encourage them.

Maybe rather than just threaten to boycott the state, people calling could also add that if they give up this foolish idea, there will be rewards in terms of people spending their money there.

... yes and yes.

The important thing to remember here is that none of us will be truly and completely safe until every man, woman and child in the US is behind bars - no exceptions.

but they do now.

...but they only need a *passport* if their entry is by air or seaport.

:sarcasm:

At one time we could travel to Canada or Mexico or the Caribbean without a passport. Now we have to have one or an ID card passport.

I've never been stopped in foreign countries to show my visa or entry stamp, but I was told numerous times to carry it at all times.

The only time I was really afraid was traveling in Mexico driving in a rental car with my toddler son. I had a passport for him, but I was concerned about the possibility of being stopped by local police.

to hurt hispanics. many of them work in the hotels and restaurants.

Seriously...about 3-4 hotels and maybe half a dozen restaurants...all the help left - no one left to work.

Legal or "illegal"...the place was a ghost town.

a passport can be forged. i doubt many people from south america and spain will be enjoying the arizona highways.

look like us either? We gotta "Take Our Country Back". :sarcasm:

They seem to think it's simple - legal or illegal, and that's an easy determination.

It's a stupid law, but this particular concern seems overblown. When I'm in Europe I carry my passport at all times.

airport when going through customs and immigration. Once you're in Europe you can travel from country to country, much less just walking down a city street, and never be asked to show your passport to anyone.

Mostly in Mexico, also in Canada and Japan.

We have relatives in Edmonton whom we have visited several times and that's never happened. Spent a week in Mexico City and never had it happen, but that was back in the early 1980's so it may have changed. Also spent a week in Japan in the 1980's and never had to show my passport other than at the airport. Weird how experiences can be so different. :)

I think I must have showed them my passport 20 times on one day.

many store them in hotel safe.

I don't generally visit fascist dictatorships.

and produce the passport.

who are always yammering about "limited government" have no problem with the police running around demanding that we produce our papers, just like in those old movies about Nazis and commies.

But then, there are lots of inconsistencies in the "limited government" ideology.

Maybe this is how the left and right come together on the mandating of a national ID that shows you're a citizen or legal immigrant and have the right to work. (I hope we don't come to that, but this seems like the kind of climate where it could happen.)

It would make it easier for the right to get rid of those pesky immigrants who shouldn't be here. And it would satisfy some on the left since it would make it much easier to convict employers who hire illegal immigrants. These employers can now escape conviction (and fines and/or jail time) by claiming that they didn't know the documents they were shown were forgeries. (I can assume that they really did know they were forgeries, but "innocent until proven guilty" I have to be able to prove that the employers are not just poor document evaluators - plausible deniability.) With a national ID, backed up by an online database, they would have a much harder time convincing juries that they just didn't know that the person was not authorized to work.

Both sides would be happy. The right would have an easier time determining who is "illegal" (and could be dealt with "Arizona-style") and the left gets an additional weapon to use to go after those employers who hire illegal immigrants and get away with it now. ;) I doubt the tea baggers and right wingers will worry about a loss of civil liberties and some on the left might find it an acceptable trade off to stop "illegal employers".

But I will always keep a photocopy of the passports in my wallet when we are out and about, just in case.

:shrug:

their clothing identifying them as tourists.......something like a patch, or a flag, or maybe a bright star......something like that.



and for all those sarcasm impaired: :sarcasm:

of their responsibilities to present documentation when asked to do so or on occasion