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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:08 AM
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When the shit hits the fan and the oil hits the beaches.
As usual, most problems are "out of sight, out of mind." However, when that oil hits the beaches along the Gulf Coast, it will be obvious to a lot of here to fore unconcerned people. It is a sad state of affairs when a major ecological disaster has to occur before people understand what damage can be wrought. The Exxon Valdez was somewhere else that didn't matter to many.

The spill is already an enormous disaster, and it will only grow. How big is an unknown.

Imagine then if a hurricane or tropical storm materializes to draw that oily water up and then drop it down hither and yon. I realize it would be very early for that to occur. The weather patterns are so crazy now that I wouldn't bet against it.

Picture of spill from NASA:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/deep-horizon-oil-well-gus_n_552491.html

As profits march on and our oil-based economy recovers, the real cost of this disaster is immeasurable.

I am beyond outraged. Methods to even try to clean this up have not been a priority of the oil companies. If they were going to drill, there should have been major dollars spent to find some new ways to contain it.

I am almost outraged out. Goldman Sachs shenanigans, animal cruelty videos okay, Arizona's law to become a gated community, the SCOTUS decision on election funding and much, much more are coming fast and furious.

Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:22 AM
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1. Why is ANY company allowed to drill without disaster protection in place?
A corporation that declares a profit while debiting the nation is a parasite that will kill the nation.

This disaster is going to be HUGELY expensive for this nation.

What is the proper treatment of parasites?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:27 AM
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3. Stamp 'em out
you know like squashed. CEO's and owners rounded up and thrown in jail until given their day in court then if convicted hard time. A little bit of that would go a long ways towards fixing our problems here in America.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:19 AM
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15. I like public hanging but my sister favors the stocks.
With the stocks, of course, the expense is defrayed by selling garbage to throw at them.

Naturally, I am not referring to Wall Street stocks.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:45 AM
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16. Good Idea sis has
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:50 AM
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17. Yeah, my husband wanted to know what their contingency plan was...
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 07:50 AM by Dappleganger
if they couldn't turn off the flow (if the robot subs don't work, which they aren't so far). I told him that they thought they were invulnerable to spills so there was no plan which could immediately put into place, except to build a dome to cover the area which takes THREE FUCKING MONTHS TO BUILD! He was speechless.

I really think that a lot of people have more faith in companies than they do in regular people...somehow they believe that a 'they would never, ever do that!' or that 'they will get it right!'

Guess what--companies do not give a DAMN about anything except the Almighty Dollar.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:27 AM
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2. many of the excess if they had been kept in moderation.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 05:29 AM by RandomThoughts
If people were happy with a few million not a few billion, if people were happy with a modest job not great wealth, or modest anything, modest usage of gas and buying things, since every person that was in the consumerism idea causes the same problems.

Even when I ride the bus, I cause part of the problem.

But maybe if people would have thought about if someone would or would not stop them, they wouldn't have ran so crazily towards the cliff.



Stopping someone would be a form of coercion. I think it is enough to just try and express my opinion of why it happens. Some may think differently
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:32 AM
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4. The spill is the size of Rhode Island. The leak is 5000 feet down and hard
to shut off, apparently. It should start reaching the shore in two or three days.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:35 AM
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5. "I am almost outraged out."
Ditto!

We've been fucked every way but sideways, but that's next.

No regulations are allowed on ANYTHING! I don't know how we survive this. :banghead:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:01 AM
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6. Yesterday I was looking to see if there was the
possibility of an early season tropical storm. Thankfully that's unlikely. What a fugging disaster.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:14 AM
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7. The water in the Gulf and elsewhere is so warm
that one materializing is not out of the question. It has happened a lot. If one does then Gawd help us all.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:22 AM
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8. Those were some beautiful white sand beaches
We used to go to the beaches along the Florida Panhandle when I was a kid.

But more importantly, what is it going to do the the peoples who's live depend on it and the wildlife in the refuge. What refuge?
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:31 AM
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9. and yet "drill baby drill" resonates on.... from some on the left now.
hell, from some on DU.


we're fucked.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:54 AM
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10. Isn't Exxon STILL FIGHTING a settlement on the Valdez catastrophe?
Meanwhile, they make a FORTUNE on high gas prices, gouging the public during a time of war. And no investigations.

They find ways to avoid paying federal income taxes. If they were a small company, struggling each month to get by, that would be one thing. But they make BILLIONS in profits each year. They SHOULD pay more.

What a sweet deal. Tax cuts for the big oil companies. No investigations when they take advantage of consumers during a time of war. They delay settlement on the Valdez spill that harmed many small businesses in Alaska.

The list goes on and on. Exxon is too big to fail, IMO. Break them up.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:36 AM
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13. No, the fight is over. Exxon won.
Greg Palast wrote extensively on the matter.

...snip...

Indeed, the "human error" tale was the hook used by the Bush-stacked Supreme Court to slash the punitive damages awarded against Exxon by 90%, from $5 billion, to half a billion for 30,000 Natives and fishermen. Chief Justice John Roberts erased almost all of the payment due with the la-dee-dah comment, "What more can a corporation do?"

...snip...
FULL STORY: http://shadowpress.org/exxon_valdez_lie.54.htm
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:41 AM
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11. my head is in a permanent state of exploding
is there any place that respects nature and humanity over destruction and profit?

:banghead:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:52 AM
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18. Pretty much only the space inside of our head...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:07 AM
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12. This makes me so angry!
:grr:
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:30 AM
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14. Sadly, you're correct
Correct in that the slick will have to hit the beaches before some people wake up to ecological damage caused by this catastrophe and who-knows-how-many-other potential disasters like this one if drilling is opened up along more of our country's coasts.

What personally kills me is that my family vacations every year on FL's "Forgotten Coast" on the Gulf and there seems to be a likelihood now that the oil & smell will hit those pristine "powdered sugar" beaches and marshes.
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