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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:32 AM
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Arne warns states not to "water down" education plans to please unions.
We have come to the point that the top leaders of our party are going after the teachers' unions. Arne may be doing most of the talking, but the others including his boss are sitting back and giving him the floor and the power. The power to destroy public education.

Here is the money quote from Arne in the Wall Street Journal:

Mr. Duncan said in an interview that he welcomed the friction between union and state officials but warned against states weakening their overhaul plans simply to win buy-ins from unions. "Watered-down proposals with lots of consensus won't win," he said. "And proposals that drive real reform will win."

Unions, States Clash in Race to Top


That should make his message pretty clear to all teachers and to their unions who holds the power.

Education Week also covers Arne's strong new stance against teachers.

After staying out of the Race to the Top round-two fray for weeks, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is finally starting to take the gloves off and wade into the middle of a big debate over just how important "buy-in" is in a state's application.

Today, in a routine conference call with the business community (he does this sort of outreach regularly), he declared: "At the end of the day we're going to (fund) the strongest proposals whether they have tremendous buy-in or not." (The department invited me to listen in on the call, which was to encourage business leaders to support states' Race to the Top efforts.)

Although broad collaboration and buy-in should remain a goal, he said, if a state's proposal is "more consensus but watered-down reform, that's not going to be a winning application."

Duncan on Race to Top: Bold Reform More Crucial Than Buy-In


Then Education Week goes a little mealy-mouthed, which is not too surprising.

So, will Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction Tony "The Stud" Bennett reconsider his decision to withdraw from the competition, citing lack of union cooperation? Will the controversial teacher-tenure bill in Colorado, opposed by the state teachers' union but deemed important by state education leaders for Race to the Top, now garner even more support? Will unions, in general, lose a little bit of leverage?


Of course unions will lose leverage. That is a mind-numbing statement from Education Week. That is the purpose of the Arne's education plan.

In many cases union leaders in states have worked with party leaders to squelch any hope teachers might have had for fair treatment. One good example is Michigan in which a Democratic governor has used pensions to force experienced teachers to retire.

The proposal by Gov. Jennifer Granholm offers about 46,000 public employees — 39,000 of them teachers — a pension boost if they have worked at least 30 years and agree to retire by October, according to the report.

By replacing them with fewer employees, who would earn beginning wages, the Granholm administration estimated the state could save up to $450 million, The Times reported.

Those who do not retire by October would lose dental and vision benefits upon retirement and would begin contributing an additional 3 percent to their retirement fund, according to The Times. Newly hired teachers would have to pay a minimum of 20 percent toward their health care premiums."


Union executives went along in this case.

In fact, union executives have been openly working with the school authorities in Detroit to force hundreds, if not thousands, of experienced teachers to retire, so they can be replaced by a low-wage instructors, forced to work in charter schools without the slightest rights or input on how children are taught nor any control over curriculum or the day to day running of the schools.


I was talking to a couple of teachers I worked with who are not yet retired. It took them a long time to have a clue what was happening to them. They took pride in their many years of teaching, but now those years are being held against them. They will retire much sooner than they planned because of pressures.

Arne is speaking for the Democratic party when he says not to "water down" education plans to please unions. Teachers are no longer given respect by the Democrats. There is no one speaking up for them.







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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:37 AM
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1. UNIONS?! It's BUREAUCRATS like HIM who want the "watered-down", that S.O.B.! I can assure him that
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:39 AM by WinkyDink
PA's state exam---the PSSA---is a completely bogus entity!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:58 AM
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2. Wow
The unrecs started quickly.

This is Bush's plan being pushed full steam ahead. Now no party is in opposition. It's all A Okay if Democrats do it.

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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:27 PM
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5. "It's all A Okay if Democrats do it."
That is what makes it a thousand times more disgusting.

Here's a K&R to offset at least one unrec.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:48 PM
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10. well, only nixon could go to..
awww fuck it.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:32 PM
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13. Seem's to be Obama's plan now.
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:59 PM
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44. Arne could not push this if Obama did not agree.
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adnelson60087 Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:33 PM
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49. That is completely true. Time to put the blame where it belongs...squarely on Mr. Hope-n-Change.
This is NOT change I want to believe in. I wonder what the NEA and AFT will do in 2012 when neither party represents our interests?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:17 PM
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3. Force thousands of teachers in each state to retire because of experience...
We will see what that holds for the economy and for the party.

It's really not a great idea, you know...to disrespect teachers, break their unions, force them to retire.

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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:25 PM
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4. It's a great idea if you're in the DLC, and breaking unions is your goal
So this is working out just well for them.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:29 PM
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6. Dear God I cannot stand this man.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:36 PM
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8. He has an arrogance about him.
Like he is superior to those of us who were/are teachers.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:35 PM
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64. Arne's not arrogant--just stupid.
God is he stupid!!!!! He makes GWB look like Einstein.

Duncan is the stereotypical dumb jock. He's been hit in the head by a basketball too many times.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:37 PM
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9. aka Sweet Jesus I can't stand the Grope.
I can't even listen to him since the first year of his term when he tried to balance the books by reducing services to the handicapped and reducing the number of hours animals are held before putting them down.

He's a coward and an asshole.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:59 PM
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59. Don't like him either. Arne and Arnold can both move elsewhere
and I'd be thrilled.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:34 PM
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63. +1,000,000 n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 09:34 PM by tonysam
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:34 PM
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7. Can someone please "water down" Arne?

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:28 PM
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11. Keep it up Arne, the teachers are paying attention and they WILL vote the midterm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:28 PM
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12. I don't think they even realize the anger.
It is like they are in a bubble.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:34 PM
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20. Then we better make good on our promises for kids.Time for a "teachable moment".
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:15 PM
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17. And We WON'T Vote For Anyone Who Likes This Shit
Take that to the bank.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:32 PM
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19. Got that right.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:36 PM
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14. What he's saying is he doesn't give a damn what teachers have to say
he doesn't care about their expertise. The only people who have his ear are billionaires who know nothing about education.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:57 PM
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27. That is exactly what he is saying. He has contempt for teachers.
And he represents this administration to the education community.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:10 PM
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15. One Union Left Behind....
I guess the union movement is so last century what with balls to the wall capitalism becoming the rule of the day...

Anyway, we can't outsource those bastard teachers, yet, so we do the next best thing; neuter their Union and viola school district budgets across the land have one less worry because, again, union negotiations are so five minutes ago...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:14 PM
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16. Rec # 17 From Me
arne, fuck you. you'll see who's gonna win this fight asshole.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:21 PM
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18. Union-busting. Courtesy of "new" Democrats.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:31 PM
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42. yup. K & R here for the OP
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 05:32 PM by bread_and_roses
amazing, is it not, the issues on which this Admin will stick to its guns, and those on which it won't?

on edit: alas, I could not R - too late - but I'm there in spirit
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:37 PM
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21. This guy is a fucking nightmare. Thanks again for the heads-up, MadFloridian.
I'm fed up with this administration's treatment of unions and hope the endorsements dry up.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:39 PM
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22. Arne is long due to get his ass fired
and Obama needs to understand public education. Force him to spend a week being a teacher in a public school.

Let him understand the public teachers' needs.

Hawkeye-X
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:00 PM
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24. Yes, Arne is long overdue for that.
But I don't think it will happen.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:49 PM
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23. States are opting out of Race to the Top
I think it will be dead soon.

But with the treasure chest Arne has, I am sure he will come up with some other scheme to make kids compete for resources.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:06 PM
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25. States are opting out of the RTTT scam.
We all know the DLC desires power and will do whatever it takes to get that power.

DLC: The Republican branch of the Democratic party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 10:17 AM
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30. I hope more states opt out.
.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:41 PM
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38. Jeb will be along directly to help push it and get TeaPubliKlans more onboard
The administration is deadset on this and utterly uncompromising, sort of like the "Cadillac Tax" that they were relentless about.

The big boys are going to keep shoving this crap until we the people shove it back at them with gusto. They've got Democrats and pukes all sewed up and will keep the beat drumming. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some teacher's union hobbling come out of the debt task force too as at least some suggestions for the states to dump pension and health care responsibilities. That stuff will be Trojaned in with "suggestions" for the cuts the department of ed needs to make.

Everything is going to be "on the table" and I doubt they'll leave this little chestnut off the list.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:08 PM
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26. We Believe in Real Change for Education, So Fire Arne Duncan!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:34 AM
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28. Big K&R.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:11 AM
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29. Arne is anti-union and anti education
I don't know what is a worse kick in the teeth -
Arne D
or
the neo-con heading up the DEA..
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:56 AM
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31. This guy ain't shit. He's nothing but a fucking fourth rate foreign.....
......(white) basketball player. What actual experience does he have with the exception of being Obama's "friend" and a freebie athletic scholarship to college?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:03 PM
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32. Fuck. That. Asshole.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:08 PM
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33. Arne couldn't be any clearer in his desire to harm teachers' union -- !!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:59 PM
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34. And no Democratic leaders are standing with teachers.
None.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:54 PM
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51. Amazing . . . how can that be? Oh, yeah . . . more bribery of elected officials?
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:06 PM
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35. Arne can stick his "Race to the Bottom" up his bottom.
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:13 PM
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36. Teaching is my most important issue.
If Arne Duncan is still education secretary in 2012, President Obama can forget my vote, much less my volunteer hours or donations.
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teacherdeb Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:21 PM
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37. The unions are worthless. Why did NEA accept a grant
from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for $358,915 when teachers pay billions in dues? Purpose: to support training for local NEA affiliates to take on a leadership role in improving teaching practice and student achievement in their districts.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Grants-2009/Pages/The-NEA-Foundation-for-the-Improvement-of-Education-OPP1008864.aspx

The union did nothing to protect my job when I was let go for having too much experience. They did offer to help me rewrite my resume to reflect no advanced degrees or experience so I could compete with those being hired with no credentials or experience. Why do teachers continue to support a union that is clearly working against us? What will it take for the union to start doing its job?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:37 PM
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39. The "reformers" got their guys into union leadership roles...
the rest is history.

And don't forget it is not just Broad's guys, it is Gates' people and Walmart's people taking over the public schools. Plus a little of the Skillman foundation.

Plus good old Democratic governors willing to go along with the corporations.

A good article on the topic:

Eli Broad describes close ties to Klein, Weingarten, Duncan

"Broad said that his foundation has given money to the two charter schools the union president here, Randi Weingarten, opened; has trained seven or eight of the top officials in Chancellor Joel Klein’s Department of Education; and was a player in Klein and Weingarten’s merit-based pay deal.

The remarks came at an event at the 92nd Street Y Monday, where the writer Matthew Bishop of the Economist interviewed Broad on a small stage. Broad said the close relationship began as soon as Klein took the job. “From the first day Joel took office, literally, we met with him,” he said. He is close with other education leaders, too.

In Washington, D.C., the Broad Foundation has met repeatedly with superintendent Michelle Rhee and is believed to be one of the groups that would fund Rhee’s plan to give teachers more money in exchange for giving up tenure rights. Broad said on Monday that several of his staff members are taking jobs in Arne Duncan’s U.S. Department of Education."

And one that tells about the union head one being on the Broad superintendents faculty.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5989

"ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM 2002 PRESS RELEASES, ETC.:

Participants in the academy will not need to leave their current jobs immediately. They will attend trainings for a number of weekends over a ten-month period in locations across the country. Fellowships, including tuition, travel and all program-related expenses, will be fully covered by The Broad Center. At the end of the training, The Broad Center will help place participants in urban school districts as administrators and superintendents.

The Fellows received guidance from leaders in business, education and the non-profit sectors. Faculty at the Academy included:

* Rod Paige, U.S. Secretary of Education
* Henry Cisneros, CEO, American CityVista
* William Cox, Managing Director, School Evaluation Services
* Chris Cross, Senior Fellow, Center on Education Policy
* Chester E. Finn, Jr., President, Thomas B. Fordham Foundation
* Frances Hesselbein, Chairman, The Drucker Foundation
* Don McAdams, Founder, Center for Reform of School Systems
* Donald Nielsen, President, Hazelton Corporation; Chairman, 2WAY Corporation Hugh B. Price, President and CEO, National Urban League
* Paul Ruiz, Principal Partner, Education Trust
* Adam Urbanski, Director, Teacher Union Reform Network
* Randi Weingarten, President, United Federation of Teachers"

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:56 PM
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52. Corporate money buys a lot of cooperation and a lot of co-option: -- DLC in Dem Party--!!!
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:29 PM
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62. +1,000
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 09:30 PM by tonysam
The union or "association," WEA, didn't do jack for me when I was wrongfully terminated; indeed, the executive director at the time took a bribe in the form of a job working under the very person, the head of HR, who spearheaded my firing--over a stupid form--so she could not testify on my behalf.

But my dismissal was really age discrimination and the desire to cheat me out of my full retirement benefits.

The district and "association" just fucking RUINED me.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 04:17 PM
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40. K&R. So sorry to read this. We watered down HCR to please Republicans,
so I am really appalled to hear that we can't adjust educational reforms to please our teachers' unions.

Water down HCR to please hateful jerks but don't adjust educational reforms to help devoted teachers?

That just doesn't make sense.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:13 PM
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41. Arne's results in Chicago were hyped up to appear substantive.
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:57 PM
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43. thanks for the post. wish I could R. but too late.
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:05 PM
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45. Check the Math
Why are people upset at this arrogance by the SecEd? Was there some disconnect about where he came from or who he's working for?

It's been said elsewhere and I'm gonna drag it onto DU: this president is no more concerned about the average citizen's life than his predecessors going back 30+ years, though for obvious reasons he's a quantum leap in marketing. You could say we're entering the buyer's remorse part of an embarrassingly willing sale.

The tragedy is many peoples' well-meaning interest in racial equality and social justice is being used to blunt highly-appropriate opposition of everyday policy. Parading around in skimpy fig leaves isn't going to remove the need to face the reality that this administration is dangerous.

And if you think RTTT and HCR have been outrageous, just wait for the next haymaker from Obama, which will begin with the report from the Committee to Destroy Social Security. Like Clinton before him, he's carrying out heinous acts that Republicans couldn't pull off. And we're only 15 months in.

You're welcome.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:17 PM
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46. So the free public education system & unions will be destroyed beginning on President Obama's watch.

Is that what we're seeing here?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:19 PM
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47. Yes.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:30 PM
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48. And on the agenda: Drastic cuts in Medicare and Social Security.
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 08:30 PM by Better Believe It
On top of the 500 billion dollars in Medicare cuts promised in the health insurance industry bill.

They never spelled out the details on those Medicare cuts except to say they would end wasteful spending, (what kind?) abuse (such as?) and fraud (and how much of the 500 billion would be cut by ending fraud?).

Medicare and Social Security cuts couldn't be achieve on President Bush's watch.

Perhaps a Democratic President is required in order to accomplish those goals to "cut the deficit".

Remember, the deregulation of the banks and financial services industry happened under President Clinton. George Bush #1 couldn't get it done.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:00 PM
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57. And you thought you voted for a Democrat.
We were all conned.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM
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58. He leads the Democratic Party. That's political reality.

That's what the Democratic party leadership has evolved into.

"Liberals" are and will remain a small and ineffectual minority in the Democratic Party.

Can anyone lay out a reasonable scenario where at least 60 genuine liberal Democratic Senators win control of the United States Senate and a progressive is also elected President?



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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:40 PM
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50. This is bullshit. Time for me to get a new career.
I was a good teacher, but there's only so much I'll take.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:53 PM
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53. so Obama bends over backwards to build consensus with Republicans, insurance companies, and Wall St.
but shits on teachers, single payer and public option advocates, and those who want to end the endless wars for resources.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:54 PM
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54. too much consensus=too much democracy
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:57 PM
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55. Obama is more obviously selling out K-12 education than he did health care.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 08:24 AM
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56. Fuck you, Arnie!
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n.michigan Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:04 PM
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60. MEA endorses Mi House Dems 3% retirement tax on teachers- VOTE THEM OUT

MadForidian- Check it out- www.mea.org. Teachers are paying membership in the hundreds of dollars for a union that endorses this crap legislation and then sells it as a win-no kidding. We are talking 3% tax ABOVE what teachers are now paying.. lets see... 3,000.? What! Yes. They agree that the House version of Senate Bill 1227 just passed by the Dems ( NO MORE INCUMBENTS period) is a WINNNNNNNNNER. MEA says make that call to the legislature in support. No- the anger at this injustice is that the MEA is wrong- this misrepresentation will take teachers hard earned money.

Its interesting the way this political game is played with two bad guys, or rather three- including the MEA. The result is just what Granholm (D) wanted one would think. The politicians who so mismanage our state creating disaster after disaster- want to use the teachers retirement to cover their asses.

Back to MEA- they now (read always) support this less offensive bill (really?) because the money goes to an IRS irrevocable trust-a big step forward to insuring that health type benefits will be there for retirees in the future. Rational is that employees will be paying a significant part of the cost, sooooo it will make it harder to "take" the benefits away in the future. Huge gain for all current and future retirees.
The bill would expand MPSERS to third party and contracted (nooooo, not the professionals) and this would spread the "unfunded" liabilities over a larger bunch of employees which should reduce the amount districts have to pay for the retirement contribution! Sleight of hand. Take from the teachers, give to the district. Watch for it next week in the legislative calendar.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1caeytm5rkzz4e45xgffjxn4))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2010-SB-1227

THIS IS YOUR MEA UNION ENDORSING NOT REJECTING, TEACHERS. THESE ARE THE DEMOCRATS. FIRE THEM ALL.

Here is legislative analysis from http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2009-2010/billanalysis/House/pdf/2009-HLA-1227-4.pdf

3% Contribution into Irrevocable Trusts for Retiree Health Care

Requiring an employee contribution of 3% for MPSERS employees toward retirement
health care would allow for a reduction in the employer contribution. Estimated savings
would be between $270 and $291 million depending on the number of retirements for FY
2010-11 and could total between $2.7 billion and $2.9 billion over ten years. This
provision would create savings only if the increased employee contributions are used to
reduce the employer contribution rate as opposed to being saved to pay for future retiree
health costs.
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n.michigan Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:14 PM
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61. *Additional note that this would save them $ spent on layoffs if forced retirement works
Nice. Oh and Obama should be voted out too. Incumbents.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 10:03 PM
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65. Retirement tax?
Is that another way to force them to retire?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 12:52 PM
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66. Kick to remind us that Dems are union busting.
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