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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:42 PM Original message |
Will Greece Go Broke And Take The U.S. With It? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Greece is now junk status, Portugal is next, |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Also Spain.... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yeah, Spain too. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Unless no one has |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. Financial media uses Portugal, Ireland, Greece, & Spain as shiny objects |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. States aren't as important as countries. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. You're right.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. If we continue captialism's concept of judging eveything by yardstick of a dollar bill... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It's the only mechanism we have. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. You mean, it's the only mechanism they gave you -- think for yourself . . . |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. It's the only mechanism we currently have. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. No need. Looks as if it may overthrow itself before it's over |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. All our systems will, because none of them |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Look at all of the businesses/corps which have been bought out or |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I don't think I'm trying alone . . . you don't have to judge everything by the |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Philosophy aside, Greece is in deep shit. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Capitalistic philosophy, military spending puts us all in "deep shit"!! |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Spending beyond your means, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Voters have no control over MIC therefore we are certainly NOT "spending |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Socialist countries can go broke too. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. What socialist countries have gone broke? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Why do you think socialist countries |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. What socialist countries have gone broke? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Depends on who you call socialist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Wouldn't count USSR -- like Hitler, they merely stole the name . . . |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Well they did, so they can fail. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Again, who are the socialist countries which have failed? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Why do you keep running commercials on here? |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Regardless of how you judge things, Greece has a big problem... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. They have a problem created by predatory capitalism . . . |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. BS. Even if Greece has 0% interest rate they would be in trouble. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Greece doesn't have to help, we can go down all by ouselves. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. We've dodged a couple of bullets, partially at least, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. As long as we continue on with capitalism, the bullets will keep coming . . . . |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Most of Europe has worse percentages of debt |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. While the US has the most debt in total dollars |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. From what Thom Hartmann said this morning the IMF's bail out has |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. There are conditions to any loan. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. So you apparently believe Friedman economics are okay although it |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Greece is not a victim here. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Greece has been spending on military buildup beyond their means . . .. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. It means right wing cutting social programs here . . . rather than MIC ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. ...and presume you also recommend Friedman economics for our future? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I recommend you live within your means. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. We have little control over the MIC corporate/intelligence budget . . . |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. People do the voting. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. As we all know . . . "What's important is who counts the votes; not who votes" .... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Again, ideology rather than economics. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You were discussing voting . . . |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Yes, vote in people who are tough on finance. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Like Republicans? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Are they tough on finance? No. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Who are you suggesting we elect, then? |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. You do realize that most of the tourist that go to Greece are middle |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Apparently those middle class tourists have disposable income to afford vacations. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Which is a ridiculous idea because privatization costs more .... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. Possibly, and no. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
22. No and no. |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think both Greece and the U.S. will need to raise taxes... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. ... on the wealthy and corporations -- in fact, let's call it restoring taxes on wealthy . . . |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
71. That is an excellent start... |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. They could both try reducing military spending. 6.6B Euros for Greece |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yeah, craziness. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Somewhat like America's MIC . . . and military privatization which has added so much to |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
31. Very Important Post. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
39. what wild spending concerns you so? helping sick and old people? or maybe the unemployed??? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. It's also a great way to destroy social programs in Europe ... and |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. How did the Vatican get into this? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Taxpayer subsidy for their . . . |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. No religion pays taxes, not just the Vatican |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Subsidizing the Vatican "faith based" organizations isn't about tax-exempt |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. All religions get the same. |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
72. Is it "rightwing bullshit hysteria" to want a drastic reduction in military spending... |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
74. K&R! |
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