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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:57 AM Original message |
Oil-rich Venezuela gripped by economic crisis |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hey but everything is equal right? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You can't be for peace AND be for forcing Venezuela to the right. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. There is something to be gained by privitization. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
136. You aren't living in a shantytown, are you? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Mmmm Hmmmmm |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. He hadn't said it was paradise, just a lot better than what they had. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Looks like they'd gain the same economic expantion that their neighbors are experiencing |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Sure because everyone wants to be America's whore. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
120. That wasn't really the other point. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. But their health care is fabulous. Which makes up for |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well, they'd hardly be better off being like us. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Yes, I'm sure if given the option |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. A lot of US don't want OUR economy. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Did I defend the status quo? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Nothing progressive happens in countries where the economy gets privatized |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. so you are saying all European countries are right-wing? They all have Market value societies. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. The progressive aspects of European societies are all from the non-market side of their economies |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
121. The progressive aspects are paid for by a robust economy. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. What are we arguing? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. People often prefer to live in wealthier societies. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Well I am glad you know better than poor people do. nt. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. You really HATE the idea the Venezuela has demonstrated that alternatives to capitalism can work |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Since you keep arguing with me on points that I never made, |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
140. How can you say they are working |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. You can probably say that about most Peruvians or Colombians, too. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
93. +1 nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
115. +100 |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. Could be real or it could like the CIA bringing the Chilean economy to its knees in 1973 |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. That would make Chavez a CIA agent. Interesting. nt |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. Venezuela is experiencing the downsides of a management crisis |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. POST OF THE YEAR |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Said the right-winger. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Replies the pie in the sky eyed rube? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Venezuela has problems. It would have problems just as bad or worse if it were capitalist |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
123. Stawman of the year. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
128. Plenty fair enough - sometimes, it *is* simply as fair as it gets |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Wrong. It's simply a management crisis |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It's about the assumption that the only good management can be provided |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That's your assumption, not mine. nt |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. +1 |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
122. +1. Some people just want to see it as a Bush vs. Chavez thing. They BOTH suck ass as leaders. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
14. Maybe they are spending too much on weapons |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Don't make Republican posts on DU! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Case in point |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. Here's the key right here, in the last sentence of the OP: |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. well put. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
98. MF has a big fan club here from what I've seen. nt |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Another way to say it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Deleted message |
NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. I'm not |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. What else could you be if you want a socialist country to go capitalist? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
78. Must suck to live in a black and white world |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I'd like to see a transition towards more democratic worker management in Venezuela |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. But you're not going to get a transition towards a more democratic worker management under Chavez |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Once the rich take back over, all hopes of progress dies. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. what? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Oh puhleeze. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. so what happens when small firms get big? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. At a certain level, you'd redistribute some of the assets |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. So... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. collective bargaining? great |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
92. Conflating currency with capitalism. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #92 |
130. the particular comment I was responding to |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. If you live in the U.S., you have no alternative BUT to engage with the market system |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Not true |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Well, I use a credit union rather than a bank |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
87. You're confusing Democrat with liberal and there's plenty of these |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Actually, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. And what "long-standing beliefs" would those be? Equality? |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Yes, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Well you can say that some individuals that identify themselves as Democrats |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Oh I see what you are saying, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Which is worse: government controlling industry, |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. If you look at.. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
125. Hell, I'll say that the good guys lost in Vietnam. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. The only real "good guys" in Vietnam were the democratic opposition in South Vietnam |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. That pretty well sums it up. nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
117. Look up the term "capital strike" |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Huh? |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. If those industries were isolated, perhaps. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It's not an accusation against workers, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Do you actually KNOW that nobody is watching performance closely? |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. long, long history.. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. There is nothing in common between Venezuela and the Soviet Union |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. How am I a red-baiter? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. It was red-baiting to invoke "the Soviet Union". |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. OK then, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Not a country but a system: |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. hadn't heard of Mondragon till now... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
101. Thank you. I was sitting here shaking my head at the Soviet Union comparison. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. My dad had to listen to a lot of stuff like that when he was in a union |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Indeed. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
114. Ya know... |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. There is a difference between a union, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. I think your explanation, indeed, looks more likely. nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
95. +1 nt |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
31. Chavez is an EPIC FAILURE. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. At least he isn't massacring trade unionists for peacefully marching against austerity budgets |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. I'm not concerned about what he's not doing. I'm concerned about what he's doing right now |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
102. I'd say the unionists in Columbia who are being assassinated are suffering. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Does it have to be either/or? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. If you're pushing for a privatized oil industry, yes. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. My alternative to Chavez would be a good like Lula. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. He's ambiguous. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Yet somehow Brazil is expanding and becoming a powerhouse |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. The proceeds of this "expansion" are being held by the few |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Even assuming that is true: |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Again, you're assuming industries can only expand if driven by the self-interest of the few |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. So in Venezuela we should see an expansion |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
103. We live in a country where all the gains in the economy have been going more and more to the top |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. That is true... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I do believe all but the very top in Venezuela were in brutal poverty before he was elected. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. well... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. No, it is not a very large "very top." |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Seems to me.. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. Geology is the primary determinent of oil production |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. What about the 35% inflation and the blackouts? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
48. Chavez turned me into a newt. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
52. What's wrong with Venezuela is Chavez's Cult of Personality |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. What's wrong with Venezuela is they've thrown off their local parasites and |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
104. Exactly! The global parasites are not happy about being thrown off and don't want anyone else |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
112. You have set up a false dichotomy |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
59. LOL! "José Guerra, a former Central Bank economist, The IMF, and |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Indeed. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Shhhh....we're not supposed to notice any of that. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Indeed. No mention of the people or workers and what they want. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
131. LOFL!!! Good point...some here are overt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
62. it's capital strike, spomsored by the us. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. How can it be a capital strike in industries where Chavez appropriated the capital? nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. most industries in venezuela are privately held. and the state takeover |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. So what you are saying then.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
127. when people say "so what you're saying is...." 10 to 1 they're trying to put straw in your mouth. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
97. Venezuelans are STILL in much better shape.... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. We could, indeed, use some here |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
111. There must be a lot of corruption is Venezuela |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
116. Venezuelas heavy crude - not in demand like light sweet crude in a tough world economy. |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
129. "In stark contrast to the rest of Latin America" - BS |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
135. Translation: The have-nots have been getting too much; the profiteers need more. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
138. What a load of horseshit. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
139. -Cough- Disinformation! -cough- Propaganda! - Cough - Bullsh*t! |
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