Since when are we supposed to pay slavish devotion to laws that are passed???

Anarchy, illegals, birth certificates, "reasonable doubt", HELP. Without laws being followed without question, it's the end of civilization as we know it!

Meh!

How does the Arizona law help one iota in SOLVING the problem?

Illegal immigration isn't new. The flames of fear are just being fanned a hell of a lot by the RW hysterics on the outer edges of the Earth. Hopefully, it is flat like they think so they will fall off.

All this fear does nothing except stampede people into supporting any measure that might have a chance of helping in some minds. Nevermind that the chance is probably .000000000001% or less. Do something even if it's wrong!!!

Calling out people as anti-labor or anarchists because they don't support this method is a classic RW meme to muddy the waters of the problem. You don't argue about solutions. Instead, you begin arguing about other issues that don't address the root of the problem.

In addition, this call to arms to support the law plays right into the hands of those who would like to crack down on a lot of people. They don't like anybody that is different. They just started with illegal immigrants because it is easy to begin there.

They do have rights contrary to the belief of some here on DU Gawd help us. They have human rights. Are we supposed to treat them like subhumans who deserve to be tossed into indefinite detention without any hope of release? Or should we just round them up in herds and run them back over the border? Rolling, rolling, rolling.......

There is a LINE as a border established by annexation. It separated people who for generations were one group by ethnicity. That border is now a fact, and it can't be reversed. America is a different country where people should be expected to become good citizens.

However, another fact is that there is a lot in common between a lot of these people who are below that line and those above it. That can't be reversed either. It is generational in a lot of cases.

You have a very poor, chaotic country to the south and in comparison, a prosperous country to the north. What the hell do you think is going to happen? There is another similar case- North and South Korea. that is kept in order by a border that is fortified by every possible means. That is probably a RW wetdream.

I don't have a solution at my fingertips because it isn't that easy. The law that was passed gives the illusion of safety and control. The reality is more harassment of people who are "suspicious." I probably look suspicious to a lot of people here because of my Obama/Biden bumpersticker. I must be an anarchist who supports the Kenyan usurper and his fascist, socialist, marxist, whateverist doctrine. It's one step to some slippery law that will make that closer to reality. If you haven't noticed, there are lunatics making these laws in a lot of cases.

You can follow every jot and tittle of every law passed if you wish. I'd rather scrutinize them and decide if they should be laws. I'd want to know what problem they address, and whether they really help solve it. One man's problem is another man's as well but in a different way.

Segregation was a law that addressed a problem effectively in some people's minds. Others didn't buy it and worked for years to stop it. It wasn't easy nor was it a short term effort.

I know where I stand: On a line that represents common sense and effective, humane change. If that makes me an anarchist and anti-labor to some, so be it.

Are you crazy? That might lead to a solution and fix the problem.
(For the reality impaired around here :sarcasm:)

If they're just, obey it; if patently unjust, civil disobedience is in order if you have the guts to go to jail (if not, an army of unpaid, citizen lobbyists must push to change them). Otherwise, if you don't like the law, push Congress or your state and/or local legislature to change it.

In any case, one has the duty to ask why any particular law exists. For instance, a wipers-on-lights-on law exists so other motorists and pedestrians can see the driver better because inclement weather reduces visibility; headlights increase visibility, so this law makes sense. Similarly, work area headlight laws allow construction workers to see traffic before they could be run over, giving them time to get out of the way of a reckless driver.

What doesn't make any sense are laws that single out specific groups of people for harrassment. The Arizona "show me your papers" law is only the most recent. There are specious laws targeting women better known as "child abuse by failure to protect" laws. This injustice patently blames the victims of domestic violence when some sociopathic savage terrorizes the entire family, both adults and children. A woman cannot protect her children from a savage twice her size when she herself is victimized and the so-called man threatens to -- or actually does -- seriously injure both her and the kids. Only the abuser should be prosecuted--not the adult DV victim who couldn't protect his or her children.

because the sacrifice is worth it for making the point. People want the objection without the consequences

that could be adopted at the state level, without the problems inherent in dealing in the Federal area of immigration and citizenship.

All of the states with an income tax have variences of some sort with the US tax law as to what's deductable. They're fairly obscure, most people won't encounter them, but businesses do. For instance, the Federal government might make a form of income tax-free, but the individual state might decide through it's legislative and executive branches to make that income taxable. Thus, it needs to be added in as an adjustment to income when computing taxes owed to that state.

What if we did that with wages paid? All business tax returns that show a deduction for wages would have to be accompanied by an E-Verify form, showing that the SSN's corresponding to the wages being deducted are for people who are legally able to earn a living here. I'd make exceptions for wages that were paid during the time that a worker was trying to get E-Verify to correct erroneous records, but that would be it.

If you dry up the money that encourages illegal workers here, you take away the incentive for them to stay.