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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:23 PM
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The Math
Edited on Tue May-04-10 04:28 PM by Octafish


DUer ShortnFiery pointed out that the Deepwater Horizon disaster might’ve been prevented were it not for a $500,000 Fail-Safe device deemed “too expensive” by Big Oil.

True. Half a mill is a ton of money.

To me, anyway.

To BP, it’s peanuts.

It’s what they clear in less than a quarter-hour.

Here’s the math:

In the first quarter of 2010, BP cleared more than $5 Billion. Details: BP profits soar, investors eye oil spill.

At that clip, "thanks to higher oil and gas prices," it would've amounted to $20,000,000,000 profit this year.

There are 525,600 minutes in a year.

So, that comes to about $38,051.75 per minute, or about 13 minutes' profit.

Here’s the most important part, what’s truly expensive:

No amount of money will replace the 11 lives lost when the Deepwater Horizon exploded. For those who knew any of those people, the loss is a value beyond measure. Of course, the same holds for the untold thousands of innocent people who’ve lost their lives in the wars for black gold.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:27 PM
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1. Thanks, we need to keep this issue alive
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:30 PM
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2. Welcome to DU, Scuba! Ya know who's made a megaton of money off oil and war?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:43 PM
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9. Sure wasn't me..
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:01 AM
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34.  The US military is the biggest purchaser of oil in the world.

395 000 barrels per day, almost as much as daily energy consumption of Greece." (from 2006)

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/13199
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:31 PM
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3. No amount of money
will replace the ecosystems, birds, fish & mammals that will die horribly from this travesty.

The Gulf may never recover from this. We could lose entire species of specialized animals who live in the region.

And the poison of greed and crude spreads and permeates all ...

:cry: :mad: :nuke: :scared:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:31 PM
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18. 400 species
That's what Jeff Corwin, TV animal expert, told CBS:

Oil Spill's Potential Effect on Gulf's Wildlife

While I appreciate the toll on animal and plant life, my main concern is human when it comes to these, eh, criminals. That's why I repeat myself when I say I wish CBS and the rest of Corporate McPravda would report who's played a big role in making America so dependent on oil.

Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:39 PM
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37. If humanity is your "priority" then the environment and all the species we share it
with better damn well be as well. Humanity is so bloody arrogant and self involved that we fail to grasp the simple truth that ALL life on this planet is interconnected. Kill ocean flora and fauna, kill ourselves. It's that simple.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:56 PM
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47. thank you Lorien
for saying what I couldn't find the words to express.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:09 PM
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40. it took millions of years for those species and ecosystems
it only takes one day for a greedy bunch of oil men to screw the globe, just for money. These people are sick... beyond greed.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:39 PM
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4. OK - do the maths
Edited on Tue May-04-10 04:49 PM by dipsydoodle
There are 3858 rigs in the Gulf including the BP one at issue. None of them have got that fail safe device fitted.

If you make it law for them to be fitted to all those rigs, as it is here in Europe , the aggregate cost would be :

3858 x US$500,000 = nearly US$2 billion ?

I'm not defending BP just pointing out the overall truth. Do you think it likely that what would amount to that requirement for expenditure will be passed into law ?

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:45 PM
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10. if they were just scraping by, no, it wouldn't be fair -- but they're the most profitable
organizations in the world, and if we can't have them play by a set of rules that protects the world they profit from, then they're too big to exist.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:53 PM
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12. Same could be said
of Goldman Sucks.

:hi:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:00 PM
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14. $2 billion. Let's remember that figure and compare it to the cost of the clean-up.
The cost of the physical clean up, that is. I suspect the wetlands and wildlife will take decades to recover, if they ever do.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:13 PM
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16. If the risk is greater then the cost it should be mandatory imo.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:27 PM
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17. I agree with you
Don't suppose you've got any links to something positive being done about it by your Administration ?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:36 PM
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19. Penny wise and Pound foolish.
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society and I'm not at all surprised the government is too chicken shit to remind the American public on occassion.

Here's the regulatory side of things: When it comes to evading taxes, no one does it better than the oil companies.*

PS: Anyone know if that* ever got signed into law? Don't seem to remember it...
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:42 PM
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5. Powerful and stomach-wrenching reality
and as always, you've put it together so clearly, Octafish.

:cry:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:38 PM
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20. Here's the graphic, my Friend...
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:09 PM
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6. Oh no, don't you know it was an 'act of god'? According to TX Gov.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:53 PM
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21. Your post and the photo in the OP reminded me of something...
O God, thy sea is so great, and my boat is so small.

ATTRIBUTION: Author unknown. Prayer of Breton fishermen.

President John F. Kennedy had on his desk a plaque with these words, given to him by Admiral Hyman Rickover, who gave one like it to the commanding officer of each new Polaris submarine.—Tazewell Taylor Shepard, Jr., John F. Kennedy, Man of the Sea, p. 23 (1965).

SUBJECTS: Prayers



SOURCE: http://www.bartleby.com/73/1479.html
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:28 PM
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7. kick
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:49 PM
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23. Guess what Vietnam's got?
Petroleum. Oil. Natural gas. You name it.

Premier Oil starting Vietnam, Indonesia production 2011

Gee. That black gold must be really something, back in '67.

Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

Poppy represented for the longest time that he had never been in CIA until Jerry Ford put him there in '76.

Funny how the world works, all these coincidences.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:38 PM
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8. The amount of money involved is so huge that most of us can't really phantom it. . .
And that's why BP and other oil companies take advantage of us!
I sure hope Obama and his government stands up for the people affected and doesn't let BP go basically free!
Let's get them REALLY where it hurts. . . with numbers that match their profits. . .they should come out of this with a DEFICIT!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:06 PM
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25. BP resulted from a merger of British Petroleum and Amaco plus Atlantic-Richfield.
Then, they re-branded themselves as a "green" company.

There once was a DUer named buycitgo...
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The Old Creak Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:47 PM
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11. They Are Whores
Anyone surprised?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:10 PM
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26. A prayer for their unctuous souls, courtesy of the good folks of Firesign Theatre...
Oil, a Prayer

Anointed with oil on troubled waters?
Oh Heavenly Grid,
help us bear up thy Standard,
our Chevron flashing bright
across the Gulf of Compromise,
standing Humble on the Rich Field
of Mobile American Thinking?
Here in this Shell,
We call Life.”

From: "Don't Crush That Dwarf. Hand Me the Plyers."
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:55 PM
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13. They have insurance
Gov.PErry is such a naive ass that he doesn't understand that the LAST thing BP wants is for this to be considered "an act of God"
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:14 PM
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27. That would change things.
And we all know how much conservatives hate change.
They fear change because that is what cowards do.

"A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." -- Elbert Hubbard

And that, my Friend, seems the natural order of things.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:10 PM
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15. IMO the point that needs to be made is how much the platform costs, then ask if the 500K
added to the cost makes it "to expensive"
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:32 AM
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28. That's a good way to look at it -- wrap the story in a comparison.
Deepwater Horizon Rig cost $350 Million to build in 2001 and $700 Million to replace today.

Safety Shut Off cost $500 Thousand.

So, for about 1/1000th the cost of the rig, they could've prevented the worst-case scenario they've got -- an uncontrolled blowout a mile below the surface, right dab in the spot that can pollute the most productive fisheries in America as well as spread oil to a lot of places touched by the Gulf Stream -- from the Eastern Seaboard to Iceland and Europe.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:48 PM
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22. And more math, Octafish
Edited on Tue May-04-10 07:49 PM by chill_wind
$75 Million Buys BP Six Years of Lobbying or One Giant Oil Spill
emptywheel Monday May 3, 2010 6:44 am



(...)

That’s obviously puny. But to give you a sense of just how puny it is, consider that, at its current levels of spending on lobbying, BP will spend as much every six years on politicians in DC.

BP is one of the most powerful corporations operating in the United States. Its 2009 revenues of $327bn are enough to rank BP as the third-largest corporation in the country. It spends aggressively to influence US policy and regulatory oversight.

In 2009, the company spent nearly $16m on lobbying the federal government, ranking it among the 20 highest spenders that year, and shattering its own previous record of $10.4m set in 2008. In 2008, it also spent more than $530,000 on federal elections, placing it among the oil industry’s top 10 political spenders.



But much like DUer BooinBloo and other DUer's were pointing out early:



But the puny amount for which BP will be liable for damages didn’t stop them from potentially trying to make their liability even punier. The early contracts it drew up to pay Alabama fishermen to help contain the spill included a $5000 damage limit, which presumably wouldn’t even cover the cost of a fishing boat.



emptywheeel: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/05/03/75-million-buys-bp-six-years-of-lobbying-or-one-giant-oil-spill/



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:56 AM
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29. They Must've Concentrated on Cheney -- Sneer Blocked Safety Valve
DUer proud2BlibKansan posted this important article:

Cheney blasted for blocking oil well safety valve

And where was Congress? Well, many seem to have sided with Sneer and Smirko. Mary Landrieu, f'r instance, who is reported to have cashed in $357,050.

PS: Thank you for your excellent post, Chill_wind. Yours deserves its own thread as more light needs to shine on Transnational Corporate Lobbying of Congress (Deepocket Exploiters Unlimited).
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:22 AM
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35. Money to Congress- lots of it. (DU link, per your suggestion)
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:04 PM
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24. no amount of $$$$ will compensate for the suffering, death, destruction of wildlife
who are helpless; they have no remaining families to sue or try to agitate for justice (joke);
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:05 PM
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48. Unacceptable Risks: Killing the Gulf of Mexico
From a birdman in Florida:



Unacceptable Risks

Killing the Gulf of Mexico


By ALAN FARAGO
CounterPunch
May 3, 2010

Did we have to kill the Gulf of Mexico to stop, "Drill, baby, drill"? Before the spill from Deepwater Horizon is contained, Florida will see exactly the environmental catastrophe that kept offshore oil away from Florida's coasts until the November 2008 elections. "Drill, baby, drill!". The question arises: why must the American public "see" an environmental disaster before believing it represented an unacceptable risk all along?

A government official sought to describe the difficulty of containing the spill on account of "the tyranny of distance and the tyranny of depth." There is no tyranny here except the tyranny of idiots. Sarah Palin, in an Iowa campaign stop a week before the November 2008 presidential election, articulated that so-called logic. Her speech started with the recognition that we need to apply new technology to the business of a clean energy future. Jobs, etc. But that wasn't what the crowd was waiting for. "Now is the time for 'drill, baby, drill'", she read from the script-- like a really bad actor telegraphing the punch line. (It is worth noting that President Obama is following the same script of "all of the above" on energy investments, absent the fear mongering.)

This idiocy was also the foundation of Florida's future as imagined during the Bush regnum in Florida--test tube for conservative extremists during two terms of a governor now re-emerging through a surrogate candidate for US Senate, Marco Rubio. You can't make progress, the thinking goes, without accepting the costs-- and evading public disclosure of risks-- of environmental destruction.

Environmentalists in the United States have been on the defensive almost from the first moment that concern for our air, water, and natural resources popped up on the radar of corporate interests. The Sagebrush Rebellion and its acolytes, funded by large conservative think tanks, was an integral aspect of the Reagan years and morphed, eventually, into the bloviators and right wing message machine of the new Idiocracy. "Eco-Nazis" and "eco-terrorists" is how environmentalists opposing offshore drilling and other protections for the planet have been described by propagandists like Rush Limbaugh.

Now that risks materialized in a trashed Gulf of Mexico, environmentalists who have argued for the precautionary principle applied to economic activities may have another moment in the oil-drenched haze. The precautionary principle implies that there is a social responsibility to protect the public from exposure to harm, when scientific investigation has found a plausible risk. But throughout America, corporate America has persuaded the public that "plausible risks" are too expensive to work into the price of goods. In Miami-Dade county, this logic lead limerock miners (for cement) to pollute our drinking water aquifer, without significantly increasing the costs of their good. In the Everglades by Big Sugar; to put the heart of the state onto life support. And throughout the state by well drillers, phosphate miners and the Growth Machine; pretending to diversify the state's economy while magnifying risks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/farago05032010.html



"Plausible Risk" must be kin to "Plausible Deniability."
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:10 PM
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51. defenders of wildlife's kieran suckling said today on KO that int secy salazar
should step down; believe he did not conduct an environmental impact study; had this been conducted, the deepwater horizon project would have been prohibited

good article, thanks for posting it!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:19 AM
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30. F-ing BFEE is going to be the death of this planet!
:mad: :grr:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:47 PM
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49. BFEE Final Solution: Environmental Degradation
They like the sound of that, as they know they will survive. From a post, long ago:

Through their enablers, the Bush Organized Crime Family, the Fourth Reich plans to implement their Final Solution. It will not come through a militaristic or police-state holocaust, but through the subtle and “natural” means of environmental degradation.

Consider the planet is quickly becoming uninhabitable. The oceans are dying, fishing stocks are 90-percent depleted. Arable farmlands are depleted through urbanization and over-use. The planet’s rainforests are being destroyed. Clean water is becoming a rarity for the majority of the earth’s people. Global Warming only makes things worse, meaning disaster unimagined awaits. And all this is happening within OUR lifetimes.

This is no joke. We must ask ourselves “Why?” would the modern neo-conservative hold the socio-economic perspective of Darwinism? The answer: To rid them of their enemies: Political, Social, and Military. And save the earth’s dwindling life-support capabilities for themselves.

Just like George Herbert Walker Bush and his Dim Son — Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini wanted Total and Absolute Power. Consider how the fascist leaders in World War 2 worked to destroy their enemies. They applied the day's manpower, science and technology through direct violence and were opposed and defeated by a united humanity.

As wars declared and undeclared haven’t worked for fascism, it seems today's Fourth Reich is trying something new. This approach is a governmental policy of sustained environmental degradation.

Their environmental destruction plan works across cultural and physical borders of the third-, second-, and first-worlds. And like the frog in slowly boiling water, most people will not notice until it is too late to do something about it.

So, one all-too-soon day, the earth won’t be able to sustain humanity. And the vast majority will die out. Being a fascistic model, not everbody will suffer. The GOP-NAZI-Secret Government and Ruling Elite will find security in their sancturaries in Paraguay or the Swiss Alps and in their underground and secret facilities around the world.

The unfortunate Outsiders — the world’s Untermenschen and the “unwashed masses" and the intellectuals and Liberals and those who are True Democrats who believe that “All men are created equal” — they will be left to fend for themselves for the diminishing scraps of water, food and air. In the process, the neo-fascists hope the survivors manage to take each other’s lives.

Only after the mass of humanity is gone will the BFEE-NAZI-GOP-CIA-MI-Complex-Mafia Super Elite emerge from their secure luxury survival condominiums and secret redoubts in Paraguay and Switzerland to re-inhabit the earth, like modern Adamants and Evabrauns. They’ll join in ruling the earth their brethren, the cockroaches. May they all choke together.

— Octafish

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:21 AM
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31. Disgusting fuckers!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:40 AM
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32. Sentimentality aside, lives do have a value. And that value can be measured.
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:41 AM
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33. bump
thank you for such a good post
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:40 AM
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36. Keep this kicked.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:48 PM
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38. K&R
Edited on Wed May-05-10 01:48 PM by walldude
Saved half a million. Wonder what it cost them to buy enough politicians to make sure they didn't have to install that shut off valve..
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:44 PM
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46. and what else have they not installed
across their global network thanks bought off politicians? Surely these clowns are up to other reckless shit.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:08 PM
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39. It's a Pretty Grotesque Realization That BP just Doesn't Give a Damn
nationalize all of their oil wells here in the states.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:36 PM
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45. Corporations don't give a damn. They are numbers on a sheet, and those who run them have a legal
obligation to try to make the as profitable as possible. We must stop the involvement of balance sheets in our government.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:43 PM
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52. .
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:29 PM
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41. K&R. nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:55 PM
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42. For the want of 15 minutes.
greed before lives. We have slipped completely back into the 19th century.
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:59 PM
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43. and these douchebags were warned about this blowout preventer- and it had malfunctioned before
Edited on Wed May-05-10 02:59 PM by complain jane
Not this specific one on this specific rig but in 2000 on another rig.

So much for their claims that its' failure was "inconceivable".
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:05 PM
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44. Kicked and recommended for the big picture, forest over the trees etc etc.
Thanks for the thread, Octafish.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:56 PM
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50. K & R. Thanks for posting this.
nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:21 AM
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53. I'm still pretty upset about this.
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