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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:34 PM Original message |
Anybody who wants to keep all the illegals out of the US |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. They could pay a fair fucking 'wage' . |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yep, they could. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I wonder how many Americans will lose everything they own |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I worked with those people fro the same shit wage they did. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. The replacement provision is us. Wages will be forced up |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. I'd do it for $10/hr, I've done other jobs that had me stuck in an office for less |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. How much are you willing to pay for lettuce and tomatoes? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. As much as it costs to pay a fair wage to the workers. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. Illegals is a dehumanizing characterization. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Nice try. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. "[We] recruited workers but got human beings" |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Sorry to have offended your finer sensibilites. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Sorry I can't address the OP. I can't get past the rightwing-i-ness... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Then go without sin, my son. |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. I don't want to see anybody working for crap wages whether they are... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. But don't you feel guilty expecting "illegals" to do a job |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'd mandate a living wage if I could. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
60. "welfare queens" Nice little Reagan-esque dog whistle ya got there. |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. They pay a fair wage in lots of construction jobs |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
82. The problem is |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. FAIL |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Who picks the friut in the central valley in Cali?? |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. My dead ass |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. The Fed needs to get off its butt and enforce current immigration law as applicable, plus |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Yep, yep and yep. |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. I wonder how all the countries in Europe survive without |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Small farms abound. |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I don't know the percent of small farms in Europe |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Actually they do rely on poor brown people |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Your links bring up issues of water and food distribution |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. European food importation is at the links as well also see WTO website |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
48. african fruit and veggies |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
72. The point is that the U.S. will get by if we eliminate cheap |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. not get rid of- reform. |
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. Organize ALL farm workers! knr nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. NOW YOU'RE TALKING. |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Unionize farm workers |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Bzzzt Wrong answer. |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. WHAT |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. You need to get straight as to who you're really mad at..... |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ahem ... Indeed. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Then let's reform it...... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Actually the Chamber has not endorsed Obama's framework for immigration reform. Organized labor |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Yeah, just like the insurance cos."opposed" HCR, even though they wrote the bill. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. If this is "I don't care what they say or how they spend their money on ads", I KNOW what |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. No, they're trying to make the best of what we are going to get. |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. Can I just remind everyone |
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MODem75 (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. All of the undocumented immigrants that I have met were very productive workers. |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Yeah, Reagon's grain boycott of Eastern Europe |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. K&R |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Thank you. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I never worked in the fields but I did construction and washed dishes with "illegals". |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. I have an add on. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Sorry about that, I was drunk a lot then |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Maybe you should write up your story for the State Department. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm against.... |
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
43. Are there even jobs available to do this? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. They're always looking for help over in Yakima, |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
46. I know enough people who have topped onions and cleaned fields to know you are speaking the truth! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Yep - and thanks for your support. |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
47. you must be from walla walla |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Lived there and worked there for sure. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
50. Or get your kids to do it!!! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Wages are supposed to rise when work is undesirable. There are no jobs American "no longer do" |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. lol yeah right lol |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You seem to have a poor grasp of fundamental economics--you don't get to unilaterally set wages. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Exactly. |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. add theme parks to the businesses that rely on young workers and are ALWAYS hiring... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. yep, yep and yep. |
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Elder Hippie (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
56. Paying any human less than minimum wage is SLAVERY |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
69. +1000 +++ !!! Agree 100% n/t |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Welcome to DU, Elder Hippie. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
57. There are no advantages to tolerating illegal immigration over making legal immigration easier. |
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colhathi (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Making legal immigration easier |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. What are the alternatives? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
58. You're the one romanticizing it. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Maybe you should re-read the OP. |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
59. I use to walk Beans & detassle--20 yrs ago it was good pay |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Wow, that WAS great wages. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
65. There are short term agricultural worker visas (H2-As) for that purpose. |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
71. All should enter the country legally like the rest of us did. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I don't know about you but I came through the cabbage patch. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. LMAO.. you're kidding right? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. 'At's right dagnabbit.... |
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