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RobertPlant Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:50 PM
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is anyone here old enough to remember the 1964 election?
I found out that Lyndon Johnson got 61% of the vote, which is the largest % any president has got since 1820. Not only that but the democrats had a decent majority in congress and the court was in its liberal 'Warren' phase. I wasn't alive then, but I am assuming that the attitude then was that the democrats were on their way to becoming a permanent majority. How did we squander our success so badly?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:52 PM
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1. There are many, many here who remember that election.
That was a different era, for both parties.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:53 PM
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2. Viet Nam
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:54 PM
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3. Viet nam and then the nation freaked out over drug use, hippies, protests, riots, etc. n/t
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:55 PM
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6. Oh and almost forgot the biggest thing - civil rights act. Racists who were living in the south
(and north, I suppose, but most of them seemed to be in the south during those days) went Republican to punish the democrats for supporting equal rights.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:59 PM
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9. The 1964 version of the tea-party people glombed-onto the "hippies"
but "their issue" was civil rights...just as today's tea party people use immigration/abortion/etc as their "front" issue,. when their biggest beef is that black guy in the oval office:(
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RobertPlant Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:59 PM
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10. i do agree that Kennedy getting capped had to do with the landslide
there were some states that I don't think Kennedy would have won in 1964 which would be states like Idaho Utah Wyoming Nebraska Oklahoma etc.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:54 PM
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4. I'm sure the JFK assassination had a lot to do with him getting 61%
Rally around the VP of course. Also, Goldwater was very feared. The 61% was very high and not normal.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:54 PM
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5. I was three months old but I don't remember it. n/t
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:22 PM
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19. me too.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:56 PM
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7. Define "squander our success"
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:56 PM
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8. The majority included a lot of right-wing Dixiecrats
It was not really squandered - there was never a real liberal majority. Nixon's southern strategy simply moved the anti-civil rights faction over to the GOP. It worked for a while.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:05 PM
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11. Yes. After the '64 election the Democrats lost the "solid south"
but it was in a good cause and good riddance to the bigots who switched parties.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:10 PM
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15. The biggest reason Democrats held the South
was because white Southerners hated the Republicans because of Reconstruction. When LBJ and the Democratic Party passed laws that mandated the end of Jim Crow, the South turned, and Richard Nixon made it part of his "Southern strategy".

It's pretty much been that way ever since. The only Democratic Presidents to win Southern Electoral College votes were either candidates who were from the South, such as Carter and Clinton, or Barack Obama, who received overwhelming African-American turnout in Southern states.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:21 PM
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18. "not really squandered - there was never a real liberal majority"

I was on my second presidential election by that time and certainly agree with you. I don't recall the big victory being seen as permanent at all; there was a general sense of living in volatile times.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:06 PM
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12. I remember the Atomic Bomb campaign ad against Goldwater
Edited on Wed May-05-10 09:10 PM by NI4NI
Civil Rights Act paved the way for Nixon's Southern Strategy.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:10 PM
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14. That notorious ad was officially aired only once. n/t
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:08 PM
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13. Vietnam, Voting Rights Act
The former alienated the left, the latter the right.

Nixon came in with a "secret plan" to end the war in Vietnam (that was a lie, of course; he escalated it dramatically and tragically) and he made a point of stressing "law and order," dog-whistle words for Southern bigots who were stung by the Voting Rights Act and the prospect of uppity fellow citizens emboldened at the ballot box.

Racists had been under the Democrats' big tent up until Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act. LBJ correctly predicted that as a result of his signature the Democrats would lose the South for a generation. But despite his many flaws, Johnson did what was right in this case, not what was politically expedient.

Ronald Reagan threw even more red meat the racists way when he kicked off his 1980 presidential campaign in tiny Philadelphia, Mississippi, a KKK stronghold and the place where three young civil rights workers were murdered. Ronnie didn't need to tell the faithful why he chose to speak there. They read him loud and clear.
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RobertPlant Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:13 PM
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16. I think that by the early 70s
racemongering was no longer acceptable and to advocate for segregation or chant the n word was now frowned upon. No one was going to get elected by supporting segregation so that is when people resorted to using code words.
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:16 PM
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17. I remember being happy that we had all voted for Johnson, because
Goldwater would have bombed Laos and Cambodia. Oh wait.................
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:25 PM
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20. At the time, Barry Goldwater appeared to be an war-mongering extremist
My parents, both Republican, voted for Johnson out of the fear that Goldwater would push the button.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:28 PM
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21. Yes...
...Goldwater and Johnson.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:34 PM
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22. Nixons "Southern strategy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Introduction

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it, but merely popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

While Phillips sought to polarize ethnic voting in general, and not just to win the white South, the South was by far the biggest prize yielded by his approach. Its success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate and House, as some legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP. In addition, the Republican Party worked for years to develop grassroots political organizations across the South, supporting candidates for local school boards and offices, for instance. Following the Watergate scandal, there was broad support for the Southern Democrat Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

From 1948 to 1984 the Southern states, traditionally a stronghold for the Democrats, became key swing states, providing the popular vote margins in the 1960, 1968 and 1976 elections. During this era, several Republican candidates expressed support for states' rights, which some critics claim was "codewords" of opposition to federal enforcement of civil rights for blacks and intervention on their behalf, including passage of legislation to protect the franchise. This is in spite of any concrete appeals in opposition of civil rights in the course of supporting states' rights.

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:42 PM
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23. my mother a democrat voted for him - I was not old enough to vote
the war was a problem - by the time everyone was old enough to vote - they were the generation being drafted - I suspect that influence who they voted against
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:58 PM
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24. You can thank Bill Moyers for that election. He was the one who...
came up with the commercial with the little girl, the daisy, and the muushroom cloud. Goldwater never forgave him for that till his dying day. That commercial, complete with billboards of the little girl with the daisy, became the central them of the elction-- Goldwater was the crazy man who would start a nuclear war.

He wasn't that crazy, of course, and would probably not have gotten us in so deep in Viet Nam, but conservatism was a bad word back then, kinda like liberal is now. I remember a billboard with Goldwater's campaign slogan "In your heart, you know he's right" with "Yes, far right" printed underneath.

You think recent elections have been nasty-- I remember fistfights in the streets over that one. Civil rights, pollution, Vietnam... All of these were relatively new causes for a national election and the people were all het up on all sides of every issue.

Truth is, Goldwater made me a liberal back then, but it was really tough to reconcile Johnson's progressive domestic agenda with his expansion of Viet Nam. At least he had the stones to step down when he saw what he did.

(Old joke-- GI's in hospital with some nasty injuries and gets turned down for Purple Heart. "What happened," he's asked? "Well, I heard a VC yelling 'Lyndon Johnson son of bitch' so I yell back 'Ho Chi Min son of bitch.' While we were shaking hands, the truck hit us.")

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:31 PM
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25. Vietnam was Lyndon Johnson's downfall.
Without the war, he would have been considered a great president, in my opinion.
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dumpdabaggers Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:34 PM
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26. I remember it.
The GOP went over the cliff to the right. Nominated someone way out there and got creamed. Much like the Dems did with McGovern in 72.
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