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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:37 AM
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Teabaggers gain a little JoeMentum: Lieberman names citizenship-stripping proposal "The TEA Act"
They're Calling It the "TEA" Act.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2010&base_name=theyre_calling_it_the_tea_act

Legal experts, including former State Department Legal Adviser John Bellinger, have already slammed Sen. Joe Lieberman's proposal to strip citizenship from American citizens accused of being involved with a foreign terrorist organization. After expressing initial support, Sen. Chuck Schumer later backed out.

Lieberman hasn't given up on his proposal, however. Hoping to harvest the populist anger of the Tea Parties, Lieberman, who has enlisted Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown and Reps. Jason Altmire (D-PA) and Charlie Dent (R-PA) in the House, is calling his proposal the TEA Act, or "Terrorist Expatriation Act."

The Terrorist Expatriation Act would bring existing federal law up to date by adding another item to the list of acts for which a U.S. national would lose his/her nationality: providing material support or resources to a Foreign Terrorist Organization, as designated by the Secretary of State, or actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies.

Lieberman's originally called for stripping citizenship from those who were merely suspected of being part of a terrorist organization, but from the press release, it sounds like the new proposal might apply only to those people who are actually convicted. We'll find out at noon today, when Lieberman holds a press conference announcing the details.

One thing is clear, though; the designation "foreign terrorist organization" wouldn't apply to domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh, which means that the law would, in practice, only ever apply to American Muslims.

-- A. Serwer

Posted by Adam Serwer on May 6, 2010 10:15 AM
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:43 AM
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1. OK, all you guys/gals on here yelling about 'due process' rights, where are you?
There must be a dozen posts about the attempts of Congress to disallow those on the 'no-fly' list the ability to buy guns, with many comments about how that denies 'due process' (taking of rights before conviction). Isn't this much worse?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:48 AM
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2. Would doing it to people 'merely suspected' even be constitutional?
Thought the whole point of modern legal systems was that you only punish people who've been tried and convicted of a crime, not just suspected of one.

Of course, Guantanamo Bay was a glaring defiance of this principle.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:31 PM
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3. Reminds me of the Nuremburg Laws
Edited on Thu May-06-10 01:03 PM by JDPriestly
The Nuremberg Laws (German: Nürnberger Gesetze) of 1935 were antisemitic laws in Nazi Germany which were introduced at the annual Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg. The laws classified people with four German grandparents as "German or kindred blood", while people were classified as Jews if they descended from three or four Jewish grandparents. A person with one or two Jewish grandparents was a Mischling, a crossbreed, of "mixed blood".<1> The Nuremberg Laws deprived Jews of German citizenship and prohibited marriage between Jews and other Germans.<2>
. . . .

At the time of Hitler's assumption of power on 30 January 1933<3> less than one percent of the German population was Jewish. Nevertheless, antisemitism had been a major theme of Hitler's rhetoric for almost fifteen years and attacks on Jews started almost as soon as Hitler assumed the Chancellorship in January 1933. A notable example of the anti-Semitic campaign was the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses on 1 April 1933.

. . . .

The first law, The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour,<10> prohibited marriages and extramarital intercourse between "Jews" (the name was now officially used in place of "non-Aryans") and "Germans" and also the employment of "German" females under forty-five in Jewish households. The second law, The Reich Citizenship Law <11>, stripped persons not considered of German blood of their German citizenship and introduced a new distinction between "Reich citizens" and "nationals".

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

It is very easy to start out talking about terrorists and then generalize the definition of terrorist to target some group that you don't like. The term terrorist is somewhat loosely defined in our laws on this subject. That is why I opposed those laws in the first place.

I'm just too familiar with German and Austrian history to let this pass. Joe Lieberman, you should be ashamed of yourself. How could you, of all people, suggest this?
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