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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 01:52 PM Original message |
FYI: The first immigrant group asked to "carry papers" were Chinese Americans |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is as American as Apple Pie |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was waiting for you Nadin! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Echoes of history, that is how I like to call them |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. People are so limited in their thinking and their options. We always revert |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. It ain't gonna help that Americans not only |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't think that's right. Slaves had to carry passes long before that |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I agree with your take on the issue. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That's right. There is a structure on Angel Island |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. How you agree when it's wrong? |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Indentured servants certainly were immigrants. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Indentured servants were immigrants to the colonies, not the political entity known as the US |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Aw, Nikki, your need to be right is overriding your otherwise good sense. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. If it makes you feel better, you can believe anything you like. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I think you're missing the bigger picture |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. That's not what you said before and now you have me confused. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I guess where I'm headed with this is that, ugly as it is, |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Those paper holders (indentured servants for example) fell under British law |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. And that is the viewpoint of the lawmakers, not the people |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. No, it's what was legal and what had power |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Did you read the OP? It mentions slaves. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. So, do you also not consider African slaves and indentured servants |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:38 PM Original message |
Yep. The only reason they weren't considered immigrants is that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. In order to not consider African slaves migrants |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Ding ding ding! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. No, you have to interpret history in context. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. It's not about what *I* consider: it's about what is historically accurate. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Sorry, Nikki, I don't read history through the lense of slaveholders. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Are you saying that I do? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You're exactly right. nt |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. My grandfather was born in CA in 1890 |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. That's such a tragedy. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. Imagine that. Politicans running on a fear of the "other" platform. Chinese, Blacks, Mexicans, |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Hate and fear don't have a single political party. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
22. K+R Thank you for the reminder |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Tough to be in AZ this month, eh? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Actually, I am proud of the work some of our locals are doing. I am proud of the Suns! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Los Suns! |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
25. K&R ... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Thanks for the K & R |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
30. When the Central Pacific was building the transcontinental railroad east, |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. You are exactly right. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I'll check it out. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. Geary Blvd. in SF runs through the heavily Chinese Richmond district |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
43. Early Chinese Found Support in Santa Barbara |
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