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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:11 PM
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Stock Selloff May Have Been Triggered by a Trader Error (enter billions shares instead of millions)
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:14 PM by Statistical
According to multiple sources, a trader entered a "b" for billion instead of an "m" for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble a component in the Dow. (CNBC's Jim Cramer noted suspicious price movement in P&G stock on air during the height of the market selloff.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/36999483


Come on there are suppose to be safeguards which limit the flow the majors have in/out of the market.

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:12 PM
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1. I heard Citi n/t
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:14 PM
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2. I'm tired of these wall street pigs fucking with our money.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM
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Have you closed out your 401k yet? (nt)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM
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6. Self-delete - accidental double post
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM by Nicholas D Wolfwood
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:52 PM
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23. It's not our money
Unless we entrust it to them. All of my stuff is in either money market funds, or bond funds, except for a few hundred bucks that is my gambling money. And I recognize it as gambling.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:15 PM
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3. Fat Finger Syndrome? nt
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:15 PM
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4. So you believe one trader has the power to tank the market
with a fat finger, but the federal goverment does not have the power to step in and prop markets?

:rofl:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:17 PM
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8. I can see how this would happen.
If you're selling billions instead of millions, that's creating a whole lot more supply than demand, which drives the price way down. So yeah, a fat finger could definitely accomplish that.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:17 PM
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9. Nobody said the govt can't rather that they didn't.
Please don't spam yet another thread with your tinfoil PPT nonsense.

Given there are only 166 million shares of P&G trying to sell a couple billion of them could destroy that stock price and create a run on the market.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM
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5. It's the guy from JPL who entered pounds instead of newtons
and crashed the Mars Orbiter.

Maybe he should consider a less technical line of work. :silly:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:17 PM
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7. Right. It had nothing to do with Greece's economic collapse.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:19 PM
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10. The sharp and almost instantaneous snapback doesn't make sense for Greece fears.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:22 PM by Statistical
Did the situation in Greece get massively worse in few minutes and then get 5% better in roughly 20 minutes?

The market has (and will continue to IMHO) trend downward for the last couple days due to Greece but it doesn't explain this almost vertical downward move and then almost same vertical upward move.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:23 PM
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12. Greece's fears would add fuel to the fire
It gives traders a reason to be fearful and want to pull out of the market after a sharp decline. They see the market crashing down, so assume that news is out somewhere.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:27 PM
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14. Agreed.
Greece contaigen story likely added fuel to the fire.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:20 PM
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11. Who can relate to economic collapse?
The public wants a Jerry Springer reason.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:24 PM
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13. Soooooo....... That's all it takes to destroy our economy?
Some boob pushing a button. Thank god Bush didn't get anywhere near that button.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:49 PM
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17. Good thing he didn't press "Z"
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:11 PM
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31. lol
uh-huh

...or capital "B" which stands for Brazillion.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:40 PM
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15. Thanks Wall Street!!! Keep Making The Argument For MORE REGULATION!!!
Keep it up!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:42 PM
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16. Kinda funny/ironic that is happened right now as financial reform is before Congress.
:rofl:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:50 PM
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18. It's like someone yelled "fire" in a crowded theater.....full of crooks.
nt
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:55 PM
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19. That happened to a friend many years ago.
He bought one share of a pricey stock, and was billed for 1,000 shares. He about had a heart attack when he got the bill.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:05 PM
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20. I think this 'trader error' is a big load of BUNK...
Edited on Thu May-06-10 04:06 PM by CoffeeCat
I don't believe it.

I think Wall Street is trying to prevent further selling, by
concocting some story about an "error." If the cause is
exogenous, the sheep will rest easy--and maybe even buy
some more shares (cuz hey, the markets are down!).

I don't believe one damn thing they say and today's
headlines sound like marketeering from the elites
who are afraid of losing their billions.

Not buying it.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:06 PM
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21. Your theory sounds about right.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:11 PM
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22. I'm with you on that. There are too many safeguards in place. As described, it could not happen.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:57 PM
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24. hmmm...we'll see
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:58 PM
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25. Wow. This is the first time human error has happened on Wall Street EVER!
You'd think they'd have some sort of checks to protect against typos, out of place decimals, and added zeros. WHO KNEW!

:sarcasm:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:02 PM
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26. If this system is so easily brought down...
...by one person making one little "Ooops!" you have to wonder why
his has never happened before this this country.

It doesn't make any sense.

They think we're nimrods.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:39 PM
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35. No flash trading has become larger and larger and larger.
10 years ago markets were made by humans or computer operating at trades every few seconds.

Major markets movers now push hundreds of thousands of trades per second. The raw feed from NYSE is not 16.7 GB of trade data a second.

Even many brokers and traders say this makes the system far too vulnerable to catastrophic failure.

With reaction time of program trading system measure in miliseconds (1/1000th of second) and the ability for them to move billions of dollars a second large moves by errors are going to be larger and larger issue in future.

SEC is currently investigating the risks of flash or high frequency trading.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:07 PM
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27. then explain why the volume when it happened was so very low. YOU CAN'T.
stop running from thread to thread with your silly nonsense.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:28 PM
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32. I am merely suggesting that people think for themselves...
...and not buy into the spin.

You, on the other hand, want us to believe that you know EXACTLY what happened
today. You have all of the answers. You believe that it was a glitch because
certain Wall Street PR mouthpieces told you so.

I am suggesting that this glitch theory is problematic. Thinking for yourself
isn't nonsense. Buying into PR spin, spewed by an industry run by greedmongers,
liars and charlatans--isn't exactly my idea of brilliant logic.

Cramer is even backing off from this "glitch" and so are most financial talking
heads on CNN and CNBC.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:35 PM
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34. No they aren't. Not a single one is.
Once you need to start lying to support your claim you have already lost.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:08 PM
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37. I heard MANY talking heads...
...on CNBC late this afternoon and early evening--saying that the drop
was due to uncertainty in global markets, the problems in Greece and one
finanical expert said that we were due for a correction--and that we will
be seeing many drops like this in the coming days.

I listened to it for a couple of hours with my husband.

It's a FACT that many talking heads are now tamping down the "glitch"
theory.

And that's a pretty big accusation---saying that I'm lying. Clearly, I am
not lying. Anyone who has caught 20 minutes of CNBC can hear it for
themselves.

The fact remains that many theories are floating about what caused the 1,000-point
drop. Many are suggesting that it wasn't some "glitch."

I do not lie. You are very misguided and ill informed.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:34 PM
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33. The market snapped down 700 pts from the prior low of day on low volume
then snapped back up 600 pts to roughly 100pts prior to the decline.

All of that took place on extremely low volume and over span on roughly 40 minutes roundtrip.

You don't think that was caused by technical issues.


You honestly think trades though a boring safe company like P&G value declined by 30%+ in minutes and then suddenly changed their minds to have stock go right back to its pre crash price in less than 4 minutes.

I am short the Euro and SPX because this market is going lower but that 1000pts decline was an aberration.

:rofl:

Tinfoil on isle six.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:04 PM
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36. I agree
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:09 PM
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28. Three pigs just flew over my house.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM
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29. Look if the SEC had employees surfing the web for new porn
why would I believe any other financial organization is any better or worse? I believe they whole system is about to go belly up and back into default mode.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM
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30. I don't know why someone would unrec this.
The video is fascinating.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:12 PM
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38. The cascading effects that followed underscore fundamental and systemic problems
Edited on Thu May-06-10 10:12 PM by depakid
that have yet to be addressed.

Unfortunately, like the too big to fail banks and financial or insurance corporations, I wouldn't be placing any bets that they will be effectively addressed.
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