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RobertPlant Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:44 PM
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do you think there is a right wing element with sports?
I mean look at a state like Texas. Although they were a mostly democratic state until 30 years ago, they were always a right-wing/conservative state. Football of course is seen as mostly a religion there. A lot of the elite football schools are in conservative areas like Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska etc. What a lot of people don't know about Woody Hayes, who coached fOSU from 1951-1978, was that he was a RW nutcase. So would you agree that there is kind of a right wing element with sports, especially in football?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:46 PM
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1. I think it is due to head injuries by proxy
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:46 PM
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2. Yes and no.
I think there is a mixture of both right and left wing elements. I know there is a definite element of homophobia among many athletes, but then again, there are gay athletes too. So, honestly, I think the right wing elements in sports just stand out to me more and irritate me more. I know plenty of left wingers who loves sports too though. So, I think it's a mixture.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:47 PM
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3. Lordy, yes.
Although many of them are smart enough not to discuss their politics in public.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:47 PM
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4. Hmm... let's see ...
Taking away others' territory - check.
Pushing people hard and hurting them - check.
Strict gender stereotyping - check.



Could be something to this.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:48 PM
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5. here's a good chart on sports fans and political leanings
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:53 PM
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8. Not the NFL players.that's for sure......just the armchair fatass fans.
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MkapX Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:58 PM
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12. WWE
Edited on Thu May-06-10 04:58 PM by MkapX
WWE is liberal? Really? They also came off as being real pro republican

As to why sports are mostly right wing. except for the NBA which is pretty liberal....First of all most of the player unions support republican politicians. The owners as well support republican politicians. These are players who are paid millions so of course their political alignment is going to be skewed to the right. The Olympics doesn't have the wealthy owners and players, but it is a show of nationalism...as oppose to the left wing philosophy which believes we have more in common in class rather then nationality.

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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:13 PM
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17. You should check out Jim Cornette's rant about Republicans. nt
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:19 PM
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18. Vince McMahon is definitely a Republican
I've always found it surprising that most wrestling fans are labeled as liberal, I'd say most tend to lean Republican if not apolitical.

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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:28 PM
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49. His wife is trying to buy a senate seat too.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:04 PM
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16. WWE wrestling! LOL. The thing is, I DID watch it for years. Us crazy liberals.
I also love baseball. That seems to fall in the middle. I grew up in CT so Red Sox vs Yanks is like a religious experience.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:21 PM
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19. I had the same WWE-WTF reaction
and then thought, oh wait, my dad (who played benefits for McGovern) watched that. Enough of it that I recognized Dusty Rhodes when I ran into him at a mall once. :D

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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:42 PM
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28. monster trucks!
now there's a great sport!

:rofl:

cool chart.
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:24 PM
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39. Monster trucks skew Democrat?
I find that hard to believe...whodathought?
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:49 PM
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6. Sports are like the art of competition--but also cooperation. Here, the competitive thing is
stressed more from media, fans, to coaches, players, etc.

In Japan, one might say sports are very "left" b/c they stress fair play, less individualism, etc.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:52 PM
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7. i don't know. neither hubby or i
follow any sports, but my dad who was a democrat loved baseball and football.
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oh08dem Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:53 PM
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9. Pete Carroll
said he supported Obama; also the Rooney family (owner of the Steelers). I think a majority of the owners are Republicann, while the majority of the players are Democrats.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:55 PM
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10. I think it's a mixed bag.
You have a lot of people with lots of money who didn't finish college. There is also an element that likes to link religion and patriotism, and you have a lot of men. That all skews to the right.

You also have a lot of ethnic diversity, at some level, education, and, lately, more women. That skews a little left of center, I would guess.

Our family has always loved sports, and we are very liberal. The coaches at our high school definitely leaned left (my dad was one of them).

What I do see is that it's a field that is way ahead of the curve (not in all cases, but more and more) in racial relations. Look at the announcers on ESPN (and they are even starting to get more women announcers). The NFL coaching ranks are finally getting more black coaches. Same with basketball. Of course, black (or Hispanic, or Asian) doesn't always mean left. But I think that major league sports are stepping up to the plate where this Arizona law is concerned.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:56 PM
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11. No there isn't
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:58 PM
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13. I think so, sort of like NASCAR
Edited on Thu May-06-10 04:59 PM by Whisp
all the boyly boys like to clump together and sweat and beat their chests and rah rah take one for the team, (very militaristic imo) while the wimen watch on.

feh, hate big sports with a passion. All that money and stupidity when kids athletic programs are going without. Selfish pricks.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:59 PM
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14. Even Phil Donahue was riled up over Chomsky's instance that, yes, sports do serve hierarchical ends
Edited on Thu May-06-10 05:00 PM by Echo In Light
When I was in high school, I asked myself at one point: "Why do i care if my high school's team wins the football game? I don't know anybody on the team, they have nothing to do with me... why am I here and applaud? It does not make any sense."

But the point is, it does make sense: It's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority and group cohesion behind leadership elements. In fact it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports.

And I suppose that's also one of the basic functions it serves society in general: it occupies the populations, and it keeps them from trying to get involved with things that really matter. In fact, I presume that's part of the reason why spectator sports are supported to the degree they are by the dominant institutions.


Now, I know people who always vote dem, yet enjoy watching sports...I'm not one of them, and overall I tend toward what one may think of as the typical 'lefty' view outlined by Noam (the various people who inspired and helped shape my sociopolitical outlook were people critical of such social systems)...but I'm certainly not a Hard Liner on the subject. If others are interested in sports, fine by me. Although neither my wife or I play or watch any, and I hold to the view that sports are one of america's true religions.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:01 PM
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15. No. Read "Welcome to the Terrordome" and "Fool, What's My Name?" by Dave Zirin
Sports are largely populist and have both left and right wing fan bases.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:21 PM
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20. .
:eyes:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:23 PM
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21. Not this crap again
Yes, reich wingers like sports. So do progressives.

People like sports. It really doesn't have a damn thing to do with what happens when they go into a voting booth on Election Day in the middle of football season.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:46 PM
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30. bread and circuses. nt
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:53 PM
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33. Yes, some of us want both
Let me have my mindless entertainment, and my beer (merely bread, in a different form).
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:55 PM
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34. sure. that's why things are the way they are, basically.
keep them distracted and entertained while the foxes raid their henhouses.

works every time throughout history. congrats on being proud of that.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:15 PM
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36. So I assume you don't watch movies, listen to music, watch TV....
....etc.?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:53 PM
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43. not much, no.
I'm pretty cranky and think most of the things like that we consume are just to make us stay in the place of ridiculous status quos. confirmed countless times, for eg. - 8 year old boys are a lot smarter and braver than their whimpering older sisters when disaster strikes, stray off the path and you always end up dead or alone, might is right. all kinds of crap like that we are marinated in.
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DrCory Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:45 AM
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57. You're in "revolutionary" mode 24/7? N/T
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:52 PM
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50. If you feel that way, why do you have a enthusiastic basketball fan as your avatar?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:02 AM
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52. lol
thats all I will say.
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:34 AM
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54. That's all you will say
Because you got caught in the web of your own disingenuous sanctimony, and really, you don't have a way of arguing out of it.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:05 AM
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55. disingenuous sanctimony?
again, lol. and take a look in the mirror.

Just because Barack enjoys sports doesn't mean I should take back what I said about mega sports. He's a smart man, he can enjoy a game and think about middle east peace and all sorts of things at the same time - NBA is not bread and circuses for him for he is aware and awake.

What this massive soma does for too many people is make it so important to them (to the point of junkie silliness) that all else escapes their heads and the high point of their week is to have their nachos and beer and yell at the tv either in joy or rage.
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:32 AM
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53. Obama is a big sports fan
You sport (pardon the pun) an Obama avatar. Obama LOVES the Chicago White Sox baseball team, and some other sports teams. Are you going to tell him he is proud of the foxes raiding the henhouse while sports keeps us (or him) distracted?

Well? :taps foot:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:09 AM
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56. see my post 55
there is quite the difference between an aware and intelligent and awake Obama liking sports

and those so many that focus on their teams as to let all else matter less. These are the easy targets to subdue, Obama can't be netted this way.

I hope this explains it well enough.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:24 PM
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22. The NFL is based on a rather left-wing financial structure
All teams must adhere to a salary cap or be penalized, all teams share a set television revenue with a national broadcasting contract. All of which should allow any team with half a brain to be competitive any given season regardless of the strength of their media market......

As opposed to baseball where a handful of big market teams are able to take television revenue they acquired with their own deals or in some cases by setting up their own TV network and spend as much as they want with no salary cap.

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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:26 PM
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23. low IQs, increased incidence of brain injury,
focus on style versus substance, undeserved wealth, institutionalized bullying, a reverence for violence, "winning" at all costs, utter superficiality...

yup.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:27 PM
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24. Yeah. Especially that figure skating stuff.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:31 PM
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25. that's dancing
not sports.

kind of like darts.

it's something you should do in a bar when drunk.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:38 PM
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26. Oh. I see.
It's only "sports" when it's sports that you personally hate.

"dancing". LOL
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:40 PM
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27. I'm unsure 'hate' enters into it. I suspect he's making an observation on sports & social attitudes
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:43 PM
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29. A poor observation.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 05:48 PM by Blue-Jay
Athletes are dumb. hurr hurr hurr.

EDIT: And with that, I'm done kicking this newbie's "post a turd and run away" thread.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:48 PM
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31. Every time I read the name, Immigrant Song kicks into gear in my head
:evilgrin:
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:58 PM
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35. That is an ignorant comment.
I said nothing about my personal likes or dislikes.

Carefully read the OP. Then read my reply.

:eyes:
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RobertPlant Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:49 PM
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32. i would agree that it is difficult to generalize all sports fan
Remember that baseball is hugely popular in the Northeast Megalopolis with the Phillies, Red Sox, and Yankees, and the NE of course is one of the more left-wing areas of the country. However, baseball is also very popular in small towns in states like Georgia or Oklahoma.

Basketball, especially the NBA, also has a very urban hinge to it and is the sport that many inner-city youth played back in the day. College basketball is still like that but to a lesser extent with teams like Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky etc.

Football is interesting. It too was founded in the northeast and became the sport of the Ivy League. However, as I said earlier it is extremely popular in rural states like Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas etc. However I think there is a difference between the fans, players, and coaches. Most of the fans are male and from the Midwest and south.

There is a lot of beer drinking in football and football itself is kind of a male bonding type thing like hunting so I think that most fans, especially college FB fans, lean right (for the ones that vote at least.) The players are different because easily half of all the players are African American. While most of the players that have spoken out about their beliefs have supported the Rs (like Roger Staubach or Jack Kemp) they were white QBs. Far less of the black players have talked about their beliefs so I would have to guess that most would either be apathetic or democratic.

Golf of course is popular with a lot of rich white old people so it would lean R but they would be more like Wall Street Repubs as opposed to Wal Mart Repubs.

as for NASCAR well that is easy to figure out.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:19 PM
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37. It would be nice if people realized sports brings many of us together
I have season tickets to a local hockey team, and sit next to a rabid right-winger. We argue about politics, to the point we've agreed not to talk about it anymore. But we are both passionate about our love of hockey and talk and e-mail about that to one another all the time.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:36 PM
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41. It brings us peons together
while it makes the players, media, and owners rich, and the fact is most is a burden placed directly on our back as a taxpayer obligation to build their castles.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:24 PM
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38. all those damn RW Europeans, Asians, Africans and South Americans
and their love for soccer, basketball, hockey and other sports.

Remember how those Right wing communist Soviets were crazy about sports. Man.

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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:34 PM
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40. There is an elitist element that benefits from both
Is Wall Street right wing or left wing? They (Wall Street) predominantly support the Democratic Party yet they represent capitalism (i.e. deal making) personified. It gives them influence while screwing the masses. That's why they got bailed out and why you got got screwed.

The goal of elitists is always to get rich while networking amongst each other while keeping the masses uninformed. What better way than to promote "sports" which in reality is taxpayer funded entertainment that borders on obsession. Taxpayers pay for the stadiums ,subsidize the compensation of their players, and make the team owners richer, as their franchise rises in value, all while keeping the huddled masses worried more about "their team" than the unfairness and corruptness of the system.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:37 PM
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42. Welcome back to DU, ****4!! Shouldn't this thread be in the Sports Forum??
:hi:

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:52 PM
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44. And the "Sports are evil" idiots are out.
:eyes:
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:18 PM
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46. It is the thing that annoys me most about DU.
I am a right wing capitalism-loving moran because I love sports. I enjoy to coming home and watching the Phils -- it is nice way to relax at the end of the day. It is truly absurd.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:12 PM
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45. “Onward Christian Athletes” by Tom Krattenmaker…
http://godsownparty.com/blog/2009/10/onward-christian-athletes-by-tom-krattenmaker/

“In this fascinating book, Krattenmaker maintains that spontaneous displays of faith on or off the playing field (including team prayer huddles) are not so spontaneous at all, that they’re part of a concerted effort on the part of a network of evangelical chaplains and sports ministry organizations to join Christianity—in particular the Christian Right—with pro sports.

The author makes a persuasive argument that athletes are encouraged, sometimes even cajoled or pressured, to make public statements of faith, and that being a pro athlete can mean committing to becoming a spokesman on behalf of Christianity (and, by extension, a supporter of the Christian Right’s political agenda). Yet this isn’t an attack on religion in sports; the book argues its case but does so in a largely balanced manner. Expect both book and author to attract criticism and controversy from many on the Right; Krattenmaker won’t mind; he’s all in favor of a spirited debate.”—October 2009, Booklist

“Tom Krattenmaker—in my opinion—is one of the most informed and relevant writers on the Evangelical movement today. His critique is fair and his knowledge is impressive.”—Kevin Palau, Executive Vice President, Luis Palau Association
Executive Vice President, Luis Palau Association

“Onward Christian Athletes is compelling, judicious, prophetic—and deeply disturbing. This is a superb book.”—Randall Balmer, professor of religious history at Barnard College, Columbia University

“I have been waiting for someone to write this book for years, and Krattenmaker does not disappoint, Onward Christian Athletes fills the gap in our understanding of the way religion and religious organization shapes the players and the teams we follow. Anyone serious about understanding 21st century sport needs to read this book.”—Dave Zirin, author of A People’s History of Sports in the United States


Does Jesus REALLY Care About Football?
http://godsownparty.com/blog/2009/09/does-jesus-really-care-about-football/

These organizations birth offshoots that focus more specifically on target populations. For example, Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Athletes in Action is the case in point in this instance funded and supported as a ministry of Campus Crusade.

About Athletes in Action

As of 2006, AIA has a ministry presence in 85 countries, on nearly 100 U.S. college campuses, and on 35 U.S. professional sports teams….AIA’s media tools and materials expose millions of sports fans to the good news each year. Countless volunteers, thousands of athletes, and more than 500 staff members stand together to share one message: Life’s greatest victory is found in a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Athletes in Action is a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ
Mission Statement

One World To Reach, One Language of Sport, One Message of Victory
Ministry

AIA is a global pioneer, innovator, and servant leader in sport ministry.
Mission

Building spiritual movements everywhere through the platform of sport
Measures

Giving 100 million people annually the opportunity to hear the gospel

Building a global movement of 15,000 spiritually mature athletic influencers

Forgive them“Athletic influencers”? That sounds very innocuous now doesn’t it? But who is Campus Crusade for Christ in a nutshell? CCC was invented by Bill Bright, a former “Fancy Food” salesman and is directly linked to Loren Cunningham of Youth with a Mission and C Street fame as told by Jeff Sharlet in “The Family”; Billy Graham, Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition of America, the 7 Mountains Mandate that continues to resurface…and the list goes on and on and on.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:26 PM
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47. All of us raging lefties
jumping up and down in Section 138 at LA Galaxy games beg to disagree.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:51 PM
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48. No
Bill Bradley
Tom McMillan
Heath Shuler
Kevin McHale
Bill Walton
Grant Hill
Franco Harris
Steffi Graff
Hank Aaron
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Martina Navritalova
Lance Armstrong
Julie Foudy
Chauncey Billups
Jerome Bettis
Warren Moon
Andre Agassi
Vlade Divac
LeBron James
Charles Barkley
Dennis Green
Donovan McNabb
Frank McCourt (Dodgers owner)
John Henry (Red Sox owner)
Steve Pagliuca (Celtics co-owner)
Bill Russell
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Oscar De La Hoya
Bud Selig
Theo Epstein
Julius Peppers
Rodney Peete
Luke Walton
Phil Jackson
Desmond Howard
Derrek Lee
Stephon Marbury
Marshall Faulk
Emmit Smith
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Bert Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:19 PM
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51. I can think of two
Monster truck rallies and Nascar have a built in republican bias, but then again I hesitate to call either of those a sport. I would assume and hope golf also but of that I am not sure, again no more of a sport than me playing pool and going for a walk afterwards.
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