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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:05 PM Original message |
20 Students Wearing "Border Patrol" shirts on Cinco De Mayo asked to remove them |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Okay, forget US flags, THAT is fucked up. n/t |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Freedom of Speech, no? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. More likely for their own protection |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
130. So your are claiming that it would incite violence. Isn't that low an opinion of potential |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
205. Some people want to blow right past the fashion police to the fashion executioners. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
29. High school students do not have the same 1st Amendment rights |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
166. They don't but they have rights. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. That seems like an intent to be offensive and possibly incite violence. Students may expect |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. There is no right to not be offended. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Expressions of RACISM are not welcome in public schools |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Welcome? No. Protected? Often, yes. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. So why is this legal argument important to you? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I support speech that is legal, yes. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Which neatly avoids the question of what social behavior is. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. What people _should_ not do is quite different than what people _must_ not do. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. Precisely. The law doesn't describe a standard of good behavior. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. It only says that it's protected, and can't be cause for punishment. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Right. I don't think telling students in an eastside high school |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Rather wrap them in cotton wool and tell them the world will always be fair? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Deleted message |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Between enduring blatant racism and being wrapped in cotton |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #113 |
174. Knowing the difference, and being able to deal with it is one thing that school can teach, yes. n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
138. Schools are not there to teach social graces. Trying to have them do so has never worked |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
137. Its the decision of what is racist and what is not is the real problem |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. For some reason this "prank" sounds like the kind of fuckwittery seen on the /b/ forum of 4chan. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. But they're just expressing their love for the border patrol. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. LOL! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
73. . |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
185. But of course. That's what they want to be when they grow up! |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Rethughlican Larvae nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yup, still protected speech, IMHO. n/t |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:17 PM Original message |
yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater .. . |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. racial epithets are definitely protected speech... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Yes, the first amendment is not unlimited |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Agreed |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It's easy to support the first amendment for speech you agree with. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
55. Schools are expected to provide a safe environment for ALL students. What part of that |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. How does wearing any particular flag endanger safety? n/t |
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npk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
136. That is a tough one I know |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Actually, it was created so that people can air their grievances |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
208. And perhaps their grievance |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Protected.... sure |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Not really, see the Tinker case |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
59. Protecting a certain segment from intimidation is within the scope of a school's administration. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Please define intimidation. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. The problem is what constitutes intimidation. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. And if they had shown up wearing shirts that said |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Well, that wouldn't be racist. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Was either set of shirts really racist or just varying degrees of tacky? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. How is border patrol racist? Could refer to Canada's border, or coastline border |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yes, absolutely, these fine young gentlemen |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. So what if they were |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Disruption to the school day |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Actually, read tinker and following cases.. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Yes |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Let me expand.. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. What about this nugget you didn't bold |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Protected speech is protected speech. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. But schools can ban more than that |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. You're right, I'm leaving out a lot of cases- because the precedent they set doesn't apply-- |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. If its not attack language, or clear double entendre the school should not act |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. But that is clearly not what was being said with the May 5th celebration |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Again, you are interpreting subtext and intent |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Let's take your argument to the other extreme. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. The example you gave is actually hate speech and can be legitimately controlled |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Disruption is not limited in scope to violence. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. No, not a strawman |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. When an actual disruption occurs. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Do these people get up in arms about the Canadian border? Ever? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. the obvious reason being that |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. And they are white. n/t |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. and speak English... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
175. The obvious reason being most Canadians are white. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
75. um, yeah, right |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
77. San Jose's Canadian population consists mainly of the Sharks' first line |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
120. It is reading minds |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think offensive items can be banned within a school setting |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. The standards are so capricious that it makes defining offensive almost impossible |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Bong hits for Jesus, baby |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. There is a very strong feeling against them in the US. Not sure why, but its widespread |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. While I don't agree with the Bong Hits case.. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
179. One can argue that with the current makeup of the court, Tinker's no longer viable |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. re hostile environment.. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #179 |
191. You well may be right (nt) |
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revolution breeze (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
49. My daughters wear uniforms to school |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Is she in a California public school? |
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revolution breeze (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
67. No we are in south Louisiana |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
156. In CA parents can opt out of uniforms and schools can not create defacto uniforms via |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
186. Charter? or Public? |
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revolution breeze (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #186 |
207. Public N/T |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. The link won't for me, but those kids sound pretty lame. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Working Link HERE: |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. Let 'em wear 'em. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. I ptretty much feel the same way |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
22. Why all the May 5 hoohah? Cinco de mayo is a MEXICAN holiday, not a US holiday. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. The school has obligations to those that are in their care. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Its not even a Mexican holiday... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. I don't get it either |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
79. and St. Patrick's Day is an Irish holiday, not a US holiday |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I have never heard of any students being kicked out of school for wearing |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. I've heard of them getting in trouble for wearing orange |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
125. I was going to bring that up...I always wear orange on St Patricks Day |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
167. St. Patrick's day has never been an exclusive Irish holiday |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. And it is not a drunken orgy with green beer either |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #167 |
178. true -- but it is a national holiday and a solemnity in Ireland |
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RonSunn (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
23. Guy on fox compared it to "Wearing your fave sports jersey" |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
102. Even a jersey can get you in trouble these days |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
132. a guy on my news station asked a parent who |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. Interview with one of the "offended" students said dissed, not bullied or intimidated |
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MODem75 (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
26. I agree with the administrators |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Why would |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I can't believe the reaction of DU to these May 5th cases. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #43 |
70. Right and when pushed on it, the response is always, "it's legal" |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Neither can I. The level of hostility towards free speech is frightening. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. Couple thoughts |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
162. And how would you compare |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
106. Free speech is only one of the issues in these threads. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Blatant racism is not an excuse to smother free speech |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. And free speech was only one issue here. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Good on you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Aim low. n/t |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. So if Progressivism becomes socially unacceptable and makes kids sqeamish |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
143. You really don't understand the difference between social behavior |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. That kind of judgement call is not your, mine, or the school's to make or enforce |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #146 |
151. Oh, baloney. Btw, what you are calling "prissiness" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #151 |
163. School are not mechanisms to enforce your or my standard of decorum |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Oh, please. This relativistic argument is irresponsible. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. I agree, that is why I support deterministic standards, not squishy capricious ones |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #168 |
200. Consensus should be arrived at through reason and discussion, not suppression |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
95. Are you seriously |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Search DU for bullying |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
110. Bullying is valid point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. I think you've asked this question before and you've gotten an answer. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
124. What is the point of wearing a border patrol T shirt? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #124 |
148. Do they need a reason? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
180. "I can't believe the reaction of DU" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #180 |
193. The administrators have backed down and apologized on the flag shirts already |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Because it's racist code? |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
96. I see that your empathy training is incomplete. (nt) |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Self delete. Wrong place. (nt) |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
37. This RW racism has to stop. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
44. 20 little assholes.....future teabaggers unless college changes their worldviews |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. I see it more as "look at me" contraianism, more than political |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
69. Schools are not free speech zones. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. Actually, they are |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. The cases following this prove that schools are not free speech zones... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Err.. it's not unlimited, but it does apply there. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
78. jerks n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
90. The selective outrage against "violation of freedom of speech" is sadly predictable. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. It's just a bunch of Mexicans. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
98. But we're supposed to solve the bullying problem. . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #98 |
115. Not really. How many responsible people do you know |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
135. There is a slippery slope here that needs to be acknowledged... |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
101. Blatant attempt to intimidate. Bullying little shits. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. This is the district my Mom (& I for the duration) live in. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
118. Assholes |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #118 |
139. I agree with that, but they have the right to be one. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
119. I do believe I know someone who goes to this school |
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fishbulb703 (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
121. It is absolutely against the principles of liberalism to support the school's decision. EOM |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. +1 |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. I support the school decision, I'm a liberal, and you are full of shit. -nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. What other civil rights do you oppose? American flag shirts are not prima facie bullying |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. Check the OP. This time it's not American flags. -nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #140 |
165. Both incidents are being used in the discussion here |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. The Border Patrol one is much nastier, and that's what I'm talking about. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. It is absolutely against the priniciples of liberalism to support the student's racism. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Your presumption of racism is unfounded |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. It takes breathtaking innanity not to notice the racism. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I vote "second option". -nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #133 |
147. So do I. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. If its not prima facie, the school really has no right to act. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #134 |
142. What utter bs. Have you ever actually been put in charge |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. For several years in several countries |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #134 |
150. Are they contrarian? Yes. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Its the want to be different, not do what everybody else is doing, being outrageous enough to get |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. You can say the same thing about skinheads. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Not nearly as much. Its more like goths and emo. The vast majority outgrow it thankfully |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #164 |
170. If goths and emo kids were racist, sure. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. It's hard to believe you actually dont see how wearing "border patrol" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
153. It tacky and rude, but in that age group probably not particularly racist |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #153 |
181. You seem to have a difficult time calling racist behavior exactly what it is |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. Having seen the "ban this because I find offensive" game in action |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #153 |
188. High school boys can be as racist, or moreso, than anyone else. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Not in my experience, YMMV. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. So your lesson to the racists is... |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. ROFL! |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. Actually its what the courts have told the schools: balanced treatment. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. The courts have said that poorly veiled racism |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:40 AM Response to Reply #199 |
203. Look up the straight pride case...you will find it instructive |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #153 |
192. I do not believe that you have been put in charge of high school kids |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. I think politically active adults project that into others |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. I teach high school |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #198 |
202. I have and still do |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #153 |
201. you don't have to be political to be a bigot |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
155. it's possible to despise the student's racism and still believe |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. So you believe it's OK for students bring racist messages to school. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. I don't believe I said that |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I believe you did say that. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. your belief isn't well founded then |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #161 |
169. Sigh. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. your little syllogism is cute, but it doesn't respond to anything I actually said |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #161 |
172. It is. |
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MODem75 (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
184. Against the priniciples of libertarianism not liberalism. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #184 |
190. Slippery slope and I have seen it in action |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
144. Seems to me that those students were trying to intimidate the "brown people." |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #144 |
187. Seems to me you're right |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #187 |
204. I think you're right. Free speech was meant to persuade, not to intimidate. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #204 |
210. Who then, would be intimidated |
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npk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
152. Will there ever be peace again at these schools |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
206. Shouldn't they be picking on fat people who insist on wearing spandex instead? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. That happens everyday, its a national disgrace. |
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