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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:14 PM
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Is the Euro still a viable currency??
I know there are a lot of economic experts on here. Your thoughts on this?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:17 PM
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1. The Euro trap by Paul Krugman:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/krugman-the-euro-trap/?src=busln

Not that long ago, European economists used to mock their American counterparts for having questioned the wisdom of Europe’s march to monetary union. “On the whole,” declared an article published just this past January, “the euro has, thus far, gone much better than many U.S. economists had predicted.”

Oops. The article summarized the euro-skeptics’ views as having been: “It can’t happen, it’s a bad idea, it won’t last.” Well, it did happen, but right now it does seem to have been a bad idea for exactly the reasons the skeptics cited. And as for whether it will last — suddenly, that’s looking like an open question.

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What’s the nature of the trap? During the years of easy money, wages and prices in the crisis countries rose much faster than in the rest of Europe. Now that the money is no longer rolling in, those countries need to get costs back in line.

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But that’s a much harder thing to do now than it was when each European nation had its own currency. Back then, costs could be brought in line by adjusting exchange rates — e.g., Greece could cut its wages relative to German wages simply by reducing the value of the drachma in terms of Deutsche marks. Now that Greece and Germany share the same currency, however, the only way to reduce Greek relative costs is through some combination of German inflation and Greek deflation. And since Germany won’t accept inflation, deflation it is.

The problem is that deflation — falling wages and prices — is always and everywhere a deeply painful process. It invariably involves a prolonged slump with high unemployment. And it also aggravates debt problems, both public and private, because incomes fall while the debt burden doesn’t.

Hence the crisis. Greece’s fiscal woes would be serious but probably manageable if the Greek economy’s prospects for the next few years looked even moderately favorable. But they don’t. Earlier this week, when it downgraded Greek debt, Standard & Poor’s suggested that the euro value of Greek G.D.P. may not return to its 2008 level until 2017, meaning that Greece has no hope of growing out of its troubles.

All this is exactly what the euro-skeptics feared. Giving up the ability to adjust exchange rates, they warned, would invite future crises. And it has.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:19 PM
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2. As always, Krugman is instructive. It helped me understand this thing...nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:38 PM
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5. Me, too.
I do remember an economist telling me the euro would never happen. But I've learned that economists seem generally to be wrong. That's why I find Krugman so amazing, I suppose.
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RM33 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:28 PM
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16. The Euro is dead

Milton Friedman said it the best years ago when he said that "The Euro will not survive it's first recession."
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:22 PM
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3. I wouldn't touch it.
British Pound is holding its own, and France and Germany would as well going back to francs and marks.

The PIIGS (Portugal, Icelend, Ireland, Greece and Spain) are putting a drain on the "centralized" currency.

Europe isn't like the US, with a central tax system and Federal support. They are a bunch of cobbled together economies, with their independent taxation systems and independent GDP/GNP.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:42 PM
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7. Iceland isn't on the Euro, they still use Kroners for currency.
Maybe you're thinking Italy?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:50 PM
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10. Volcano on the brain
Thanks for the correction!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:33 PM
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4. Of course it is
The flood into dollars and yen is temporary. In the short term, it might be time to consider that European vacation I've put off for four years, the dollar is close to its highest point in all that time.

Then again, Europe in summer is not particularly appealing. Well, maybe Finland. Northern Finland.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:39 PM
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6. You're forgetting the ash. Still closing northern airports.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:49 PM
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17. Oh, well, scratch Finland.
Maybe Tierra del Fuego in August.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:43 PM
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8. "Europe in summer is not particularly appealing"? A lot of it is, I like to go visit then
Only problem is I missed the couple hot weeks at home, but still, fun to go play in the summer.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:49 PM
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9. I just wonder how long Germany and France are going to
want to keep subsidizing their weaker neighbors to the South. Especially with Germany the work culture is so different from the rest of Europe.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:49 PM
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13. Well, I'm seriously considering a mid September visit to Italy....
Agosto, no. Settembre, si.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:27 PM
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11. No expert here, but it sure seemed viable a few years ago
Went to Italy in '07 and was astonished at its value in relation to the dollar.

Time to take another trip -- IF I could afford it.

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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:39 PM
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12. It's still worth more than the dollar. Even after 2 days of big declines.
A couple of days ago it took $1.30 to buy a Euro. Now it takes about $1.25. This is a big fall. But a few months ago, it took $1.52 which was really bad for America.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:51 PM
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14. Jeez, I'd better get my euros NOW for my trip in Sept.
Still, it ain't that big a deal compared to the dollar, but compared to what I spent last year in Portugal.....ugh...
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:03 PM
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15. Is the dollar?
If the Chinese stop buying T-bills where will the US be?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:57 PM
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18. Somewhere in North America. n/t
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