Look how foolish England is

from the results so far in the election the English countrymen and women are reverting to their true colors = Blue and horrbly Tory.
Reminds me of the red states in the US.

End of the day, I predict Cameron will be PM.

and have been over the past hour.

It will be easier for the Tories to form a coalition government than for Labour to do so no matter what.

Should be an interesting day come the morrow - especially with the polling foul-up in Sheffield Hallem. If they had to pick a constituency to bollox up, it might have been better not to have chosen Nick Clegg's home turf!

FDR was as rich and genuinely ruling class as they come and the most progressive president in US history. He was considered a traitor to his class.

I don't think Bush was ever "elected."

The Supreme Court handed him the office in 2000.

His buds at Diebold stole it for him in 2004.

Bush couldn't choke on his own vomit, much less honestly win the Presidency.

and how close the line will be (no matter who forms the government it will have to be a coalition), the same will be said of the new UK parliament.

hand-counted.

He was appointed by pals of his father's who were sitting on the Supreme Court. Al Gore got a half million more popular votes than bu$h did..

We LET him, but I will never ever believe that he honestly won the popular vote tally in either election.

Now it's TOry lite

and has often expressed his gratitude to it for the treatment and support given to his son.

BTW, did you mean England or Britain? Or, indeed, the UK?

with a view in the end to dismantle it.

That is what happen did before..

Are you an American? It's just that you seem to be viewing the Tories as something akin to the Republicans in the US, where the RW foolishness is at extreme levels with opposition to any form of healthcare system that doesn't make the less well off suffer incredibly, where people are so dense that they vote for morons that want to ban abortion, discriminate against anyone who's not heterosexual or part of a traditional family structure, and who promote ignorance in schools by trying to force the teaching of religious crap as some sort of 'alternative' to scientific theories.

The UK conservatives are similar to those here in Australia. Here we had what was seen in our terms as a hardline RW govt for eleven long years, and while they removed workers rights and did all sorts of nasty stuff, they didn't try to dismantle Medicare (our public health system), nor did they do any of the utterly foolish things that was done in the US during the Bush years...

While I don't care for the Tories and wish the Liberal Democrats had performed better, there's no way they're as bad as US conservatives, and I think any American who wants to make broad-brush generalisations about the supposed foolishness of the British population who managed to vote had better take a good, long look at the US before doing so...

although they are not generally religious fanatics.

The Tory view is that the NHS is a drain and it should go but they don't make that known.

I don't get why anyone would make such a ridiculous claim as you just did....

The Tories are not as loony or as far to the Right as the Republicans are. What you seem to have absolutely no knowledge of is politics outside the US. In countries like the UK and here, the mainstream RW is nowhere near as far to the Right as it is in the US.

What you said about the Tories and the NHS was incorrect, and claiming that the Tories are worse than the Republicans is imo incredibly ignorant...

What you've been claiming is totally incorrect. I don't give a toss if you've been campaigning for something 24/7 for the past 50 years, yr still incorrect in what you claimed...

I should know

Not as much as DUers who are from the UK would know, but a little bit more than you do :)

The Tories suck but the NHS is untouchable in the UK. It would be absolute electoral suicide to attempt in any real fashion to "get rid" of the NHS.

You've not spent much time England, have you?

I went to school there and campaigned for the Labour Party. Believe me Tories are awful.

What they're arguing are yr claims about the Tories. And if you actually have spent any adult-time in the UK, then I do believe yr living proof that one can spend a long time somewhere and come away with very little knowledge of that place's politics...

the result can be very damning.

The Tories had to resort to their old style playing book which is immigration, they know
every time they shake that bottle the real Brits gets rattled.

Same playbook, shame Gordon Brown did not do enough to prevent that.

I don't think they'd be my personal choice, but comparing them to the Republicans isn't really fair.

the average Republican in Congress these days.

They favour private companies over employment by the state, wherever possible, but know there are limits to what the British Public would accept.

So, for the NHS, their plans are to make hospitals more independent of central control and planning. Thus, from their plans:



In effect, they would like to make the NHS into a Single Payer system, with independent entities (non-profit, for the existing ones, but for-profit firms can join in) providing the care. Now, that's to the right of the present situation, in which the state is the employer of most of the people in the system (not all, already, and some blame the lax standard of cleanliness in many hospitals on privatisation of the cleaning, for instance). But few of the Tories have actually called for ending the basis of paying for it all through general taxation (Daniel Hannan, the extremist Tory MEP that I think turns up often on Fox News, has done so, but he is, at the moment at least, at the far end of the party).

And they are moderate right wing on other issues too. For instance, on abortion, there was an attempt to restrict the time beyond which only severe foetal abnormalities, or a major threat to the health of the woman, can be used as the reason for abortion, from the current 24 weeks to 22 or 20 weeks. It was defeated, but many Tories did vote for limiting it.

as on said when we worked side by side on the Kerry Campaign "Kerry is a good conservative Tory. Your GOP, on the other hand, is just plain scary." He said that America does not have a Left Wing. I'd have to agree.

Wales and Scotland went solidly Labour and many are NOT happy that the Parliament will be dominated by English Conservatives.

If Libs don't get on board with Labour sharpish we're all in big trouble.