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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:35 AM Original message |
There is no point to a third party on the left - is there any place for the very left in US politics |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'm not very optimistic about the future |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think that |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. Since one-half (50%) of the people do not vote and these are for |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. The kids' table is on the left |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. FDR and Truman were the last really effective liberal presidents, IMO... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The prosperity they created killed progressivism. nt |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. I deliberately left LBJ out of this because he was IMO a part liberal; |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. There is a point or reason for one, just too many roadblocks thrown up. |
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PinkFloyd (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. Bill Maher said it best when he said this... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
69. Or, "The Democratic Party has moved to the Right while the Republicans have |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. A democratic-socialist-green caucus within the Democratic Party |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I thought the Progressive Caucus was supposed to serve that purpose. nt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
45. it is. But we are unwilling to lose elections pushing our |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. And the Progressive Democrats of America |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. Here's the platform for changing this mess... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. Where's the Left in the US? In front of their computers reading The Guardian. nt |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
12. The overall social conditions will have to deteriorate more before a lib/lefty party ... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The last time the US was in that state, it was called the Great Depression. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
13. One person one vote |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. However, that vote can be "corrected" by Diebold should that one person vote incorrectly. n/t |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
16. The left comprises 1/5 of this nation, the right is 2/5 |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Not always so |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Gallup says you're wrong |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Now remove the labels |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You cannot remove the labels |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. And from the current state of the media |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I would contend that your addition to my statement |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Yup |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Everything sounds great |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. It was cheaper than this |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yep, the math is too simple |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. A smaller paycheck |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It was to be paid by the top 5% |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Sorry |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Obama rejected it |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. He rejected it |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Believe what you will |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. It's all in how you present it |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I don't totally disagree |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Public option |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Show me |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Um, SS and medicare are WILDLY popular |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. So they want EVEN WORSE and unaccountable insurance parasites running things |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I agree |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. The vast majority of the evidence beyond shallow self labelling shows that's absolutely incorrect |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Most Americans claim to be religious |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. The problem is, policy ALWAYS gets labeled |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. Gallup-own by the GOP |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
67. BULLSHIT straight from Faux. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
17. Sure And Get 10% Of The Vote...Maybe...More Like 5 |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
18. I think about this a lot |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
20. The third party left is now the kingmaker in Great Britain |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It's my impression that the DCCC and the DSCC are doing everything |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The blue dogs are in the seats with the smallest swings- and thanks to their efforts |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
24. third parties could be viable if we had european style IRV, but until then, |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. In many states-such as here in PA-the law restricts the chances |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
57. That's what I wish we could do. You just cannot vote 3rd party in this country. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
30. those on the right within our own party hope we give up |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. If you are left of right-of-center in America, |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
41. Why must we weaken the party? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You should be asking that question of the blue dogs- since they've been the ones |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Well |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. You're the one who expressed concern about the party and seem to hold a dear spot for those |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. True |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
50. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone,.... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
62. We need to take back the Democratic Party from the DLCers who are |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
63. There's a place BUT..... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Excuse me but the blue collar are the leftists. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Um, I think you are talking about liberals. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
65. The place for the Left is on the streets. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
71. Third parties, duet to the way the system |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. What would a 3rd party be? I see 4 parties, not 2 or 3 in the future. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Several states have stacked the deck against new parties - if you are not a |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. True. I just see the public splitting into 4 groups. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Actually we may be seeing the start of this - certainly on the right and |
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