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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:57 AM
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Wow, someone got smart and asked Kagan's friends: She's straight
Ok, I don't trust the source, Politico, but this seems like a smartly done report.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0510/So_shes_not_a_lesbian.html?showall#

Elena Kagan is not a lesbian, one of her best friends told POLITICO Tuesday night, responding to persistent rumors and innuendo about the Supreme Court nominee’s personal life.

“I’ve known her for most of her adult life and I know she’s straight,” said Sarah Walzer, Kagan’s roommate in law school and a close friend since then. “She dated men when we were in law school, we talked about men -- who in our class was cute, who she would like to date, all of those things. She definitely dated when she was in D.C. after law school, when she was in Chicago – and she just didn’t find the right person.”
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Another friend, former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, a member of Kagan’s social circle at Princeton University, wanted to make the same point as Walzer. “I did not go out with her, but other guys did,” he said in an email Tuesday night. “I don't think it is my place to say more.”


More details at the link.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:58 AM
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1. What kind of socks was Spitzer wearing?
That could be the key to this mystery.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:58 AM
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2. Why the HELL is this even an issue?
Edited on Wed May-12-10 07:59 AM by YOY
Did they ask her how many birthmarks she has as well?

Does she like to whistle just for fun?

Can she fart Beethoven's 5th???
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:02 AM
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3. I've asked that same question myself. But consider this...
if she were a lesbian and her nomination successful, I believe it would mean as much to the GLBT community as Obama being elected President did to the African American community.

But I know what you are saying... it shouldn't matter.

Unfortunately, bigotry and racism are well alive in the U.S. of A.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:06 AM
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6. Because a single middle-aged woman who has never married
and doesn't have children is still considered a social oddity.

I know, I am one.

:P
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:13 AM
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12. and men as well.. Crist got married all of a sudden rather late in life
so did Roberts ...

"Most" people do not wait until late in life to "pair-bond", regardless of their sexual orientation.

It's the unusual person who makes it well into their 40's having never married, been engaged or been in an obvious relationship.

Is it "good"/"bad"?.... it's neither..it's just unusual, and when people put themselves into a spotlight, they invite questions about every facet of their lives..past and present.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:16 AM
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16. Um, Gov. Crist is different.
He didn't 'just happen' to never have remarried for all these years for no reason (he was divorced after a very brief marriage years ago). I hope that he does come out one day (just to watch the repukes heads pop off).
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:12 PM
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61. and he had a young male state he had an affair with him, and that young man is no media-hound
and works at a cancer research hosp. in S.FL., so I'm sorry Charlie, but I believe him. I wish Charlie would just lay it all out there, but he's obviously got his reasons.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:09 PM
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62. Most folks know it's true.
Crist just needs to own it. The sooner, the better.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:13 AM
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13. Yanno...you tell me you're a single middle-aged woman...
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:15 AM by YOY
The question of sexuality doesn't even come to mind. Which begs the question...what kind of mentality has this question pop up both first and in relevancy?

What kind of mentality are we espousing in people to even question this as relevant and of such vital importance that it must be among the first questions asked???

Call me crazy but I'm actually keen to know her real stances on various items...coming from her OWN mouth.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:13 AM
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14. That's are lots of reasons
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:40 AM by dipsydoodle
some women chose not to marry and I'd have thought being gay was the least likely of them.

edited only in an attempt to get it to show in my own stuff.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:41 AM
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22. That didn't work either.
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:42 AM by dipsydoodle
Summut up at DU I guess.

working ok again now. :)
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:21 AM
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24. I am one too, supernova. n/t
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:28 AM
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38. Me too. And I live in Republican hell, so I suppose I'm even more of an oddity.
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:29 AM by gauguin57
But I don't give a rat's ass. Wouldn't turn him away if true love walked in the door, but I have other things to worry about right now, so I'm not looking for Mr. Right. Or even Mr. Right Now.

Ms. Kagan has other things to think about right now, as well, I suspect!:)
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:53 AM
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44. As am I.
Single, never been married (did live with a guy once), 50 years old. I have lots of gay friends, but am myself definitely of the hetero variety. I can see where the confusion about her comes in, but it shouldn't matter.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:05 AM
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4. If you don't trust Politico
Then why do you use it as a source? Is it because you simply agree with this article? Yet, when they print stuff you don't agree with then they become a source people shouldn't trust?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:06 AM
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7. Because it was a smart report and they are the first ones reporting this particular angle
The things I don't trust are how they spin comments from unnamed sources typically in the Administration. However, these quotes are named and there isn't much to spin on it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:20 AM
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20. Politico is reliable when they publish things
that are seen as favorable to the current administration and unreliable when they publish things that are seen as unfavorable to the current administration.

That's easy enough.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:37 AM
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27. there is a large difference between an untrustworthy group
publishing things from named sources and things from unnamed sources.

I am willing to listen to what politico is saying if its named sources, tho i will still be trying to look for alternate sources verifying it since i still wouldn't trust politico itself further then i could lift it
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:05 AM
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5. I find it seriously amusing the so many of you are "shocked"
that "gay" is an issue. wake the FUCK up !! "gay" is an OBSESSION for many and some people make it their profession to oppose and obsess over us.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:08 AM
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9. I'm not shocked. I think it's sad that it is an issue at all, but I'm not surprised it is
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:07 AM
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8. OK, on to the next stupid, insignificant issue du jour...
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:08 AM by Dappleganger
Did she or did she not smoke pot in college?


:hippie: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:08 AM
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10. Dumbass "story" doesn't even begin to prove its thesis...
...and cheapens the debate further.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:11 AM
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11. Who cares? Why is it so important to identify her sexual orientation?
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:20 AM by marmar
nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:17 AM
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17. Because it's easier for simplistic, black-and-white people to attack a person than to debate issues.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:18 AM
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18. Because insinuating someone is a commie sympathizer doesn't "work" anymore.



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revolution breeze Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:49 AM
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41. Thank you!
How will her sexual orientation affect her performance as a Supreme Court Justice? It will be her job to decide cases based on the Constitution, not based on whom she shares her bed with.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:14 AM
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15. Who cares?
Edited on Wed May-12-10 08:30 AM by leveymg
It's not anybody's business but her own. Same thing for Justice Souter and Chief Justice Roberts, about whom there were some rumors, but the MSM mostly kept their mouths blessedly shut. Or, is there a double-standard?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:18 AM
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19. Please explain why I'm supposed to care
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:24 AM
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21. Its really not any of our business
The woman has a right to her personal life.They are not going after their log cabin republicans who are gay and in my opinion are against themselves.
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Florida Blue Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:16 AM
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23. I am seriously concerned about Mz Kagan !!!!!
She has that right elbow dropped to low, and all she will be able to do is punch a pop up or ground ball to the second baseman.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:31 AM
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39. Okay.... I just spewed coffee everywhere..
:rofl: you got me
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:31 AM
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25. We're now beyond the "embarrassment" point.
At times, politics is nothing more than high school cubed.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:30 AM
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26. And I shall repeat my reply
Dear Politico,

Blow me.

love,
~blogslut~
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:40 AM
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28. Coming next: Kagen is a slut...
because she's dated multiple men over the years.

Sid
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:40 AM
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29. lol, probably. n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:09 PM
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60. And half of those making that attack would be DUers.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:43 AM
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30. WHO GIVES A SH*T!!!! Seriously. n/t
J
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:43 AM
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31. the REAL point is--
this shoule not even be an issue as it has nothing to do with her abilities , which are considerable
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:30 PM
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59. I couldn't agree more.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:54 AM
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:55 AM
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33. Aaaaaaaand I still don't care. (n/t)
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:57 AM
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34. OMG! Just because you support GBLT rights like Kagan, doesn't mean you are gay!
This is a talking point that just won't die. Just because Kagan opposed DADT, that she must be a closet lesbian. I think many straight people on this board are strong advocates of GBLT rights.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:04 AM
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35. Phew!
For a minute there...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:57 PM
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56. I agree.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:15 AM
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36. It's sad that friends even feel like they have to label her
Can't she just be "none of the above"?

This same issue dogs Willa Cather scholarship. Cather dressed like a man most of her life, lived with several women (and never lived with a man), but she NEVER identified herself as a lesbian. Yet many scholars with an agenda feel the need to pigeonhole her work as "lesbian studies".

At the most I would call somebody like Cather "queer" in the sense that it is used in academia to mean somebody who does not fit within usual social norms.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:23 AM
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37. Yeah, but she plays sports!!!!!!!
I'm a straight man - I like to cook...Should I worry?

Actually, at my age, nobody really gives a shit anyway.


mark
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:47 AM
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40. LOL.
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:48 AM by EFerrari
:spray:

(Shh! It's one of the best parts of being over forty. Don't blow our cover.)
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:50 AM
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42. OMG!!!
I'm a middle-aged, unmarried straight woman who doesn't like sports OR cooking. I'm NOBODY. NOBODY, I tell you!
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 02:10 PM
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58. I suggest threrapy....
but I have no idea what kind....
(Actually, you may be leading the ideal life!)


mark
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:51 AM
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43. B-b-b-but... She cuts her hair short!!!
And she's not married!!!

Are you telling me she's not fitting in with my bad stereotypes?!!!

That just blows my mind!!!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:53 AM
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45. And you think this is wonderful why?
Pathetic.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:55 AM
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47. What gives you that impression?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:14 PM
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:22 PM
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50. Nice mod callout.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:25 PM
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52. And now libel attacks.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:53 AM
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46. Doggone it!
'Bout time we had an out gay justice. :(
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:20 PM
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49. Yeah, but is she bi?
They didn't say she isn't bi.

:eyes: :hurts: :crazy: :wow: :popcorn:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:36 PM
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54. Science FAIL - bi and straight are not the same thing.
"Her blood type is A."

"They didn't say it wasn't AB. Hurr hurr."
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:14 PM
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57. Her blood type is A?????!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lesbian, AND type A????????

How can ANYONE support this nomination??????!!!!!!!


:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:30 PM
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53. And tomorrow,
Edited on Wed May-12-10 12:30 PM by muffin1
when Politico mentions that Obama has a hangnail, you will denounce them for not supporting Obama.

Thanks. By golly, no day is ever complete without the rambling musings of Berni_McCoy.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:51 PM
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55. They come out with something against Obama nearly every day...
kinda like this place.

It doesn't bother me.

I don't agree with Obama on everything either. However, I still support him overall as President.
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