"Yay, white people!" *Arizona Cheer!

So, "ethnic studies program promotes 'ethnic chauvinism' and racial resentment toward whites.", said AZ AG Tom Horne?

Uhhh, will someone please remind these people that WHITE PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE STATE?

"The measure prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group."

So, history hates white people and will promote "resentment" against white rule.

They're afraid.

I guess the AZ African Americans, Indigenous Americans, Asian Americans, Latin Americans and Caucasian Americans of conscience should just bow down to ol' white massa and say, "Yessuh, yessuh" and just move along.

There's nothing to see here (in AZ).

I thought that had died out with my grandfather.

It seems a good number of us have completely lost our minds.

but the current crop of white supremacists have really gone off the deep end since the nigerian was elected president :rofl:

We have proof, you know.

but i read he was nigerian on some rw site, so i thought i'd share the insanity :hi:

As a white person myself, I do not care. Honestly, it's just skin color...

They abuse and fear they will get some payback when the people of color outnumber them, and know their history. They are terrified.

So much easier to just treat people with dignity and respect, enjoy and appreciate ethnic richness and enjoy life.

Peace begins with me.

Too many bullies never get it.

But I would add they've been mad for years, they're just brave enough to express it in public now since a scary black man was elected president.

The state can't order teachers to STFU even if they are on the state payroll.

As a student of history, I take great offense to a white-washed version of history. One cannot understand the history or character of the USA without understanding the roles of ethnic minorities.

If you think the state can't order teachers around you must not have much experience in public education.

There is a SCOTUS opinion from around W.W.I. that overturns a state law making it illegal to teach German.

extreme arrogance and stupdity.

history that we all study can be labeled as White History, except for the WWII Japanese thingy. Maybe they're planning to leave that out, too. :eyes: Probably not though, as it casts Asians in a negative light.

Do these idiots get how narrow this is? My blond, white son took an ethnic studies class in college and it was a terrific class. It didn't promote resentment at all.

The whole white priveledge attitude from these racists is pathetic.

:scared:

apparently ethnic studies didn't make the list



I found African Studies to be one of the most interesting courses I ever took - its not just that you learn different facts but you have the ability to see different world views.

Non white ethnic studies should be mandatory.

I don't see the point of ethnic studies if all it does is separate people into groups.

Personally I'd think the ideal situation is where most people are of mixed heritage. Then we can ignore all these stereotypes and labels.

because if you had, you wouldn't post such drivel. in the african-american history class i took, i learned things that weren't taught in the "regular" history class. that's why ethnic studies exist: all of the history is not being taught in history classes. ethnic studies does not exist to scare white people. your argument could be used by fundmentalists to ban the teaching of evolution because it promotes a separation from gawd.

I'd say that if it attracts people of all races and backgrounds and seeks simply to inform then it is a good thing. But if it is meant to concentrate a person's mindset to think of people from race first then I don't think it is a benefit.

african-american history is taught as history. the fact that some of the history isn't pretty, sanitized and white-washed isn't the fault of the people who teach it. surely you aren't suggesting that some people shouldn't know their own history are you? i can tell you that the history does indeed piss people off, as well it should. and again, i don't think you understand that much of what passes as "standard" history is really just the history of white men. do you think that's an accident? i don't. the issue in ariona and other places is about white supremacy and little else.

I have racism radar in my DNA.

From the first crazy right wing pep rally, I've called it like I see it.

The faces screaming crap since 2008, are identical to the faces of the people out side the school

screaming obscenities at black kids right after "Brown Vs The Board of Education," decision by the

SCOTUS.

The facial expressions, the body language the vitriol, it's all there.

with the same faces contorted with mindless hatred.
i am glad they are showing themselves in post-racial america :eyes: anyone who still believes racism is a thing of the past is willfully ignorant.

your ancestors were courageous people. i often wonder why some white people choose not to embrace people like your ancestors, and instead assume that people of color automatically associate them with the racists of the past.

as for the racists of the present, i can't believe the people of arizona think banning ethnic studies is such a pressing issue that it requires the attention of the state's government. it seems that the republicon party of arizona, much like the national party, is completely out-of-touch with reality.

Except maybe that the oil rigger people had no plan for a broken pipe 5000 feet under the sea.

I took an African Diaspora seminar when I was in University. It certainly made me pissed at the gross exploitation by western civilization.

I remember wanting to smash something after watching movies that showed the atrocities committed against native Americans. (Like "Little Big Man" with Dusten Hoffman)

The only way I could agree with that would be if only America NEVER itself separated itself into different groups.

It's going to be a long time before everyone melds into a polyethnic hue of olive complected folks.

However, most of who have grown up in the last 50 years understand that America just isn't the story of one monolithic White, Christian culture, it is in fact the result of many cultures, religions and languages from all over our planet.

As far as labels and stereotypes are concerned, the promotion and standardization of labels and stereotype has usually been the sole realm of the ruling white class. The white owners of the media, the politicians who have defined slaves as 3/5ths of a person and the Japanese-American who were interned in camps.

They started pushing inter ethnic marriage back in the 60's (as Socialists they wanted to try to break the Spanish/white ruled hierarchy) and from what I've heard a good percentage of the population is now mixed.

ethnic study classes show how they came about.

Mixed heritage? There are too many that don't like the idea of mixed neighborhoods, so we all aren't gonna be singing "kumbaya" anytime soon. The ideal situation would be that one's ethnic heritage wouldn't be a source or reason for discrimination and that EVERYONE would be treated and valued as equals.

since white-only history definitely "separates people into groups" and perpetuates the notion of people of color as "the other." thanks.

Banning them is ridiculous.

the groups are already there. :shrug:

which, as far as i can tell, means that people of color are supposed to pretend to be white.

:rofl: White=American. Talk about "ethnic" solidarity!!! :rofl:

most Americans are of mixed heritage. Stereotypes and labels still exist. It's the American way.

What a very strange thing to think about cultural studies.

I'm as liberal as they come, white, and I had an ethnic education class and I am here to say that, yes, it did promote resentment of white people. The whole class was about how white people suck. It talked nothing about prejudice between any groups except that of white people. According to our text books, white people are the only rascists to ever existed. This was a Master's level course in a psychology program. Theroretcally, it could have pointed out that, say, Asians, do not all love each other, but it did not. So when I am working I run into such statements as this - "We can put her (mentally ill Vietnamese girl) in this group home we have for (mentally ill) Chinese clients." Uh...yeah, what might work. They can sit around talking about what they have in common - black hair. Oops, no, they can't talk about anything, they speak different languages. I total waste of time.

and white people aren't really used to hearing other people's perspectives of them. do you think people of color need a class to feel resentment towards white people? we don't. we live with racism and discrimination every day. the notion that learning about history and culture (unless its from a euro-centric perspective) somehow victimizes white people is pure unadulterated bullshit.

The idea that people become resentful of white people because of a class is as asinine as it is insulting. Why do people think that being treated as a second class citizen in your own country isn't enough to become resentful?

i remember asking an anthropology professor why we only studied non-white cultures...why not white cultures? the students got all pissy, but the professor acknowledged the validity of my point. it must be difficult to be judged when you are used to judging others.

Any belief of "resentment" from an ethnic studies class is fueled by white privilege and a notion of superiority.

What do white people think happens when students of color are subjected to a white perspective in a myriad of subjects in school? After all, students of color have to deal with not only the "praise of white historical, political, scientific, and literary figures on a daily basis; they also have to often listen to the perspectives (and often resentments) of the white teachers who perpetuate these perspectives.

And white people need a damned law to outlaw ethnic studies and forbid the teaching of other cultures?

There are some people who ought to thank their higher power that more folks of color aren't resentful from the years of indoctrination that white privilege has wrought.

is that so-called democrats are echoing the same language in arizona law like mindless lemmings. really, white people of arizona and your friends, do you really need a law to stop people of color from resenting you? and is that issue so pressing that you support the passing of that law NOW?
this law and the immigration law will create far more resentment than an ethnic studies class. fng idiots.

There are some people who ought to thank their higher power that more folks of color aren't resentful from the years of indoctrination that white privilege has wrought.

:thumbsup:

:loveya:

I really don't know why, it just does.

Did the people you work with - the ones who are unaware of differences between Chinese and Vietnamese - take the same class as you? if not, how is one ethnic studies class responsible for their ignorance? How is one to blame for the other?

Shouldn't Americans who work with fellow humans take the time to learn cultural differences?

And how in the hell could one class teach you everything about every non-white culture or their histories? if you were curious, you could have learned these things in further study.


But I suppose all non-white issues are small enough to fit in one tidy class...interesting view, there....

studies. It was rich in history-filling in the blanks left callously out by our standard textbooks. The influence and impact of certain groups have greatly contributed to this nation. Medical breakthroughs, civil rights, labor rights, etc....--information generally not covered in classrooms. In my african american class it was mixed--it's too bad that some historical truth was exposed--maybe the teacher should have white washed it. Same thing in my native american studies class.:sarcasm: I can't convey enough the historical impact that some individuals and groups have had in shaping this country. For most of them to be dismissed, greatly colors one's perceptions of all people's contributions to this nation.

They produce NO RESENTMENT whatsoever!

:rofl:

What did the Arizona State legislature think would happen when the Birth Certificate law as well as the "Papers Please" law was passed? World harmony? Endearing love? The Nobel Peace Prize? :sarcasm":

Is it not true that both laws advocated ethnic solidarity and the promotion of resentment of a particular ethnic group? :shrug:

Hell's bells. Jesus, classes don't produce resentment. There are some folks from the dominant culture who do that on their own with their thoughts and actions.

Ethnic studies classes are simply there to educate others about the neglected history of women, people of color and the LGBT community that isn't written with a view of white privilege.

And unfortunately, it shows that the people of Arizona desperately need those classes more than anyone else in this country by their behavior and the magnification of their racial animus.

but clearly both law are promoting white solidarity and indeed create resentment from people of color and their allies. they are legislating the very thing they claim they are trying to stop. white privilege blinds them.

with the economy the way it still is.

They (wrongly, I hope)think the voting poulation is pissed at the brown-skins & will take that anger to the booth on election day.

with racism.

and i am sure it is just a coincidence that both laws were passed in arizona. and it is probably just another coincidence that the leader of one of the groups pressing for the immigration law is a nazi loving wacko.

racism from that asinine law that Arizona passed?

The things people do to avoid noticing racism is really quite astounding.

On paper, they are not typically racist, they are nationalist. The problem with immigration laws, especially the law in Arizona is how it will be applied. The nationalism and the history of racial relations in the United States is the problem with our approach to immigration. You do not honestly think that German, Scandinavian, Canadian, or British immigrants will be asked for their proof of citizenship do you?

There is a profile or stereotype of what an "illegal" is just as there is a ideal of what an "American" is and those two concepts are VERY different. I was born and raised in the United States and my family has been here for at least 100 years. Based on my life experience, I would be willing to put money on the fact that I would be asked for my proof of citizenship before some one here illegally from Canada or any northern European country would be questioned. That is the inherent racism of immigration laws in the US.

to deal with this.

Minorities have little issue with the white liberals and progressives who get it. It protects the white conservatives who refuse to get it.

It protects people from the necessity of opening up to other races and expressing empathy. It's an attempt to smear anyone, white or minority, who thinks (and knows) there is still work to be done between the races and in healing wounds. Those classes are workshops in healing that more white people need to be attending. If it was about hating white people they would be banned from attending.

Instead of white people banning these classes, why don't they attend them? It makes as much sense as banning women's studies or disabled studies.