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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:17 PM
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Ted Crystal Meth Oral Sex Haggard Formally Opens St. James Church In Colorado Springs
Ted Haggard Formally Opens St. James Church In Colorado Springs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/ted-haggard-formally-open_n_573672.html

Ted Haggard and his wife Gayle formally incorporated their new church, the St. James, in Colorado Springs on Tuesday.

The opening of the new church represents the latest step in a revival of sorts for the controversial former leader of New Life Church, a conservative megachurch with 14,000 parishioners.

In November, 2006, Haggard was forced out of his position at New Life Church after a very public scandal in which he admitted to soliciting oral sex and buying crystal meth from a male prostitute.

Haggard recently started hosting informal prayer groups at his home in Colorado Springs.

According to the Colorado Springs Gazette the new chuch was incorporated primarily "to keep the accounting in order" for money the Haggards received speaking at evangelical churches across the country. The St. James provides a tax structure for the Haggards to be reimbursed for out-of-pocket expenses they incur while speaking at other churches.

Haggard, however, left open the possibility that the St. James will someday become a complete ministry.

In an interview with Denver's 7News in 2009, Haggard indicated his desire to return to religion. Referring to the scandal at New Life, Haggard said, "I went through a horrible time in my life and now we've walked through that we've recovered from it. I know some people that will hold a grudge for 30 or 40 years, that's a fact of life, and I know those are people that will never be in my life again and I regret that."

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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:18 PM
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1. If God can cut him some slack, we should, too.
:sarcasm:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:19 PM
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2. p.t. barnum was right
there is a sucker born every day
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:44 PM
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12. If the parents live in Colorado Springs...
...a sucker is born every minute.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:21 PM
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3. He'll never attract much of a congregation
Nobody wants to catch "the gay."
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:21 PM
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4. Wide stance Republicon Family Values uber alles
Edited on Wed May-12-10 07:22 PM by SpiralHawk
I hear "Rev." Haggard also has a part-time job as a republicon family values luggage handler for faux lesbian diaper-sex bondage-club hookers in airport bathrooms.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:22 PM
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5. As if Colorado Springs NEEDS yet another evangelical church!
The place has too many as is

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:55 PM
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24. Don't worry. It's only for tax purposes.
Religious scams are tax exempt.

--imm
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:23 PM
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6. He got an exorcist to knock that gay demon out of him.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:26 PM
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7. That there Pazuzu is only after teh Cathyclicks!
n/t
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:28 PM
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8. Another useless church for the fleeced
Colorado Springs doesn't need YET another lame church. It needs less - a LOT less.

Fuckin' Colorado Springs.
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:38 PM
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9. I don't think he gets it, even now.
Most people aren't mad at him for his drug abuse and gay sex. People are mad at him for damning other people for making similar choices while he did the same. If you're going to finger-wag, you better have all your shit in order. Better yet, don't finger-wag at all because you'll look like an asshole doing it.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:38 PM
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10. And tax exempt, too. What a deal! n/t
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:42 PM
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11. He should not be allowed to be tax free!
He should not be allowed to be tax free at all.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:47 PM
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13. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST NIGHT!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:23 PM
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14. It's too bad a beautiful city like that plays host to such rightwing
religious scoundrels and nutbags.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:21 PM
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16. My sister is a fundie who moved there in order to be surrounded by "religious scoundrels & nutbags"
It's true, she's a 100%, dyed-in-the-wool racist Fox News Fan basket case who took her share of the money from my mother's estate and moved to Colorado Springs, saying she wanted to go where "everyone was white."

The first thing she did after buying the house and moving there was to complain about "all the Mexicans."

She had gone there before on numerous vacations (my niece, her daughter, lives there). Somehow her eyes glazed over as she falsely romanticized this "all-white paradise" that is far from all white and, in the reality of her world now, far from paradise as well.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:55 PM
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19. O my god.
You poor soul.

You must be hearty to withstand family gatherings if she's in attendance.

More power to ya, Amerigo Vespucci.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:52 PM
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23. Thank you...there are no family gatherings, there basically is no family
Parents are gone, I'm in California, she's in Colorado and hasn't spoken to me since she got her money in 2003. I have one other sister who's more than a little mixed up but has a good heart in Nevada, and that's it. My brother died in Massachusetts, behind the wheel of his car, while driving, of a massive heart attack on the day Obama was inaugurated. I haven't been face-to-face with a blood relative in 7 years.

Emerson wrote something famous in one of his journals...he was talking about a planned trip to England, and how he was hoping to "get away" from matters that concerned him. He went, but when he got there, observed that "Wherever I go, my giant goes with me." In short, we can never "get away" from anything, and we're kidding ourselves if we think we can. We deal with it or we go into denial, and seek some kind of temporary medication / entertainment / diversion, etc, and when we're finished, there he is...our giant.

When I was a kid, my sister was amazing. But over the years, bitterness and anger and prejudice and the need to "control" other people crept in, and so now she is in Colorado Springs, and brought all of that with her. There's no second mother to die, no second estate to give her the money for a new house.

It's just her and her giant. He'll be with her until the day she dies because she gave him the keys to the car many, many years ago and said "you drive," even though she didn't realize it at the time.

:patriot:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:59 PM
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26. That is a terrific post, AV. It is not an entirely happy one, because
I think the giant is real. Emerson appeared to have it just right.

You mention 'control' as a factor -- I think that is exactly it. There are some people who want to be at the control panel. Not only for themselves but especially for other members of their family and extended family. A conservative megachurch is kind of a laboratory for people like that. Maybe that is one of the elements that draw people to ministers like Haggard and Pat Roberts.

Well at least there is a mountain range between you and your fundamentalist sister. I think you are better off where you are and I'm sorry ColoSpgs has "filt up with them Bible thumpin' people."

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:41 PM
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21. I'm so sorry.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:55 PM
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25. Thanks R.A...over time, it's amazing what kind of stuff we can accept.
I accept the fact that I'll probably never see her again. I remember the day they packed their stuff in the U-Haul and headed out there...my brother-in-law said something half-hearted like "Maybe some time you can come out for vacation" and I pulled him aside and said "Come on, man...you know this is the last time you'll ever see me before one of us dies." He put his head down and didn't say anything, because there was nothing to say. He knew it was the truth.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:04 PM
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32. It's amazing how things end up sometimes...
Like my relationships with my own family members....When I was young and we were all together under the same roof, I never dreamed we could ever go our separate ways and never look back at each other....but it happened and it helped me learn all that is truly real is the sense of inner peace I have, knowing that I did all I could do to make peace when it was possible....and walk away when it wasn't.
peace.....rags
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:24 PM
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15. He and Rekers are both really sad.......
nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:43 PM
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18. We should set them up...
two self-loathing closeted homophobes.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:40 PM
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17. Amazing. I wish I could see a full psychological profile of him and people like him
Maybe a little bit of "shamelessness" is a good thing? :shrug:
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:22 PM
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20. Colorado has more irreligious people than any other place...
25% of the population is not affiliated with a religious group or tradition. The national average is 16%. The reactionary, fanatical, and hypocritical denizens holed up in Colorado Springs, the so-called Evangelical Vatican, are the reason why.

Sort of how like non-Mormon in Utah are among the most politically liberal and Democratic demographics in the United States.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:47 PM
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22. If God is close to these perverts then God must have a celestial-sized horniness problem with boys.
It looks like there are a lot of Gawd Frawds. They keep oozing out of the woodwork, when they aren't reaching under bathroom stalls. Never in the history of mankind has hypocrisy been driven to such heights by right wing, conservative extremist fake christians. They are a joke and their ignorant and illiterate flocks are fools for continuing to support the dishonest right wing groups that are nothing but breeding ground for hypocrites...
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:21 AM
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27. The Colorado Springs Evangelical Association
Needs to put on a tax seminar and "retreat". Where there will be an unfortunate accident involving a dump trailer of fertilizer and several drums of fuel oil.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:22 AM
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28. He is bound and determined to not get a real job
work is for sinners
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:54 AM
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29. Well, he'd have to pay taxes if he had an honest job....but not if he
works for god...


mark
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:03 AM
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30. If God can forgive him, so can I.
Wait...God said no, sorry Ted.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:55 AM
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31. He's Breaking Good
n/t
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:26 PM
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33. Money laundering for Jesus n/t
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