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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:19 PM
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For all the freeper trolls........How does history rank a President?
One way to rank a President is to compare what he inherited to what he left us. George W. Bush inherited a country at peace. George W. Bush inherited a booming economy that had created 24 million jobs from 1993 to 2001. George W. Bush inherited a country that the world respected in spite of our obvious shortcomings.

George W. Bush left office with our country entangled in two never-ending wars that have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. These wars will eventually cost us trillions of dollars.

George W. Bush left us with the worst economy since The Great Depression of the 1930s. Millions of jobs lost. Bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures at record levels. The Dow over 30% below what he inherited.

George W. Bush left us a nation disrespected and despised by the majority of the world’s citizens. Even in countries we called “Allies” such as Great Britain and Germany, the public opinion of the USA was at the lowest level since the Nixon and Vietnam era.

When the final results are in and the books are written, George W. Bush will go down as the worst President in American history…..even worse than James Buchanan and Herbert Hoover.

Freepers, put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:31 PM
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1. In a minimum of 20 years, historians will look at the policies of a President...
look at the consequences of those policies, and decide if he was great, mediocre, or sucked a monumental root.

Only now, are we at a point where the policies of Bush the Elder can be judged accurately. He sucked.

In 15 years, if peace has come throughout the middle east and Jeffersonian Democracies sprung up like mushrooms in a wet field, Bush the younger will look good...to historians. I doubt that will happen.

If the U.S. pulls well through the financial disaster and survives the end of the oil civilization, Obama may be judged great.

But we are not going to know for quite a while.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:36 PM
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2. Bush was so bad, we won't have to wait 20 years.
He ran up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget/current account deficits - more than the previous 42 Presidents combined. He borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined. He started two wars that are quagmires. Almost six million jobs were shipped out of the country under his watch. No, it won't take 20 years!
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:39 PM
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3. All the Consequences of his disastrous policies will not be visible...
for a while. It will take 20 or more years to decide just how bad he really was.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:10 AM
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5. 20 years????
There are plenty enough visible now to make him the worst President in American history. What shows up in 10-20 years just solidifies his position even further.

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deacon_sephiroth Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:45 AM
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7. well let hope he lives that long
So he can be formally inducted into the presidents Hall of Shame or otherwise globally recognized without doubt that he's the biggest failure in presidential history. I feel strongly that he at least deserves to live in such a world for a while, where denial is impossible and the media contacts him constantly wanting to interview him for his reaction to the world's resounding agreement that he absolutely and completely SUCKED.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:09 AM
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4. Load up on this bit of numbers while you're at it.
The Center for Public Integrity's Broken Government project has an interesting little top 40 list called By the Numbers which offers a damning numerical assessment of executive branch failures, assembled in the twilight of those dark Bushco years.

<http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_government/pages/by_the_numbers>
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:23 AM
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It's not too early for historians to weigh in
Edited on Thu May-13-10 01:01 AM by Lasher
HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst
April 4, 2008

“As far as history goes and all of these quotes about people trying to guess what the history of the Bush administration is going to be, you know, I take great comfort in knowing that they don’t know what they are talking about, because history takes a long time for us to reach.”— George W. Bush, Fox News Sunday, Feb10, 2008

An unscientific poll of professional historians completed the same week produced results far worse for a president clinging to the hope that history will someday take a kinder view of his presidency than does contemporary public opinion.



In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.

At least two of those who ranked the current president in the 31-41 ranking made it clear that they placed him next-to-last, with only James Buchanan, in their view, being worse. “He is easily one of the 10-worst of all time and—if the magnitude of the challenges and opportunities matter—then probably in the bottom five, alongside Buchanan, Johnson, Fillmore, and Pierce,” wrote another historian.

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

Hit the link and read some of the historians' quotes, they're pretty funny. I'll get my ass kicked for copyright infringement if I post more of the article.

Here's a link to a good Wikipedia chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States#Scholar_survey_results The surveys listed are not unscientific like the one mentioned above. There you will see that historians already rank Junior in the bottom quartile, at number 37 out of 44.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:23 AM
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6. hoover was a great guy but he never should have been president
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:04 AM
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8. Historians currently rank Hoover higher than Junior.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:14 AM
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9. 1921-1933
1981-1993

2001-2009

What do they all have in common?

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:38 AM
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12. Republican presidents that sucked?
:shrug:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:46 AM
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13. You are the grand prize winner.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 01:48 AM by Elwood P Dowd
You win a Sarah Palin coloring book featuring the country of Africa.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:53 AM
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17. That would only require on crayon!
Great! But it wouldn't be very colorful. :woohoo:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:38 AM
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20. I was hoping for a connect-the-dots.
From the GWB presidential library.
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Carnage251 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:23 AM
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10. He didn't have any successes! Worst Presidemt Ever!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:22 AM
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14. What do you mean? He got everything he wanted....
Tax cuts for the wealthiest...
De-regulation of oil
Patriot 'spy on American's' Act
Two wars
Torture OK'd

the list goes on.... so, was he incredibly inept, or slyly successful?

In either case, he was clearly bad for America.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:29 AM
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11. if bushie was on a mission to destroy America...he couldn't have done better
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:46 AM
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15. I don't think history is going to be very kind to Bush
EOM
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:27 AM
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16. I think they are mixing viagra and crack in their pipes instead of
their bedrooms.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:55 AM
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18. The Bush v Gore decision
was no coincidence. It was all part of the long term plan by the PTB.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:20 AM
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19. Texas will have him as a great president in their next school books.
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