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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:09 AM Original message |
Clegg Throws the People Under the Bus |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Its a fake grouping (re idealogical split) |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Lib Dems and Labour are "progressives" and have |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Labour is anything but progressive. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Clegg abandoned STV out of the gate |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Did Clegg hate Brown that much? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. ...or do Americans not understand parliamentary politics? |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Just a dumb American,I guess. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I think it was pre planned |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. One Labour MP referred to prospect of such an alliance as a "Coalition of the Defeated" |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. I just don't understand--he had such hatred for Gordon Brown |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Strange isn't it |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yeah really |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Clegg's starting to remind me of Nader circa 2000. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
3. Scammed again. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. We need to be cautious here too |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes it is a grand betrayal but it won't work |
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BunkerHill24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. + 100000 |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Agreed. You'll like this comment from The Agonist |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Thanks for that |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
10. power baby... all about thePOWER. nt |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. aka, governance by outliers. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. Two Peas In Pod |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. They have the same tailor too, I hear;) |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Though They Did Wear Different Ties |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. Neither Labour nor the Tories ended up offering STV (or AV+, for that matter) |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Thanks. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. 52% Labour-Liberal Democrats v. 36% Conservatives - 'Proportional' Voting |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The Conservatives actually got 36%. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. typo corrected n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Quoting a combined *vote* for Labour and Lib Dems doesn't mean much; their *seats* were under 50% |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. This is an excellent explanation of the numbers |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. But Labour wasn't up for a multi-party coalition |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Valid points but |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. Sounds like this was Labour's fault |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. I do not quite understand why Clegg went with the Conservatives instead of Labor... |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Read post 17- very good explanation (nt) |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Thanks for the headsup on that. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. He came up with this wacky rational in the campaign |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. The problem with your analysis is that New Labour is far from being a progressive party. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
32. Clegg's a Pragmatist |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It's the "New Politics" |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. To begin with Labour and LIBDEMS didn't have enough seats by themselves |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. For some context via the Political Compass... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Thanks for the link! So the real "idealogical group" should be Labour + Conservatives, right? |
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