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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:00 PM
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If corporations are "people", how is it they can be granted limited liability?
How is it constitutional for some "people" to intrinsically have more rights than others?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:04 PM
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1. This is a good question...and one that has yet to be addressed by the courts.
Hopefully, someone will take some LLC to court and push it to the SCOTUS and make them decide.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:05 PM
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2. Corporations have more rights simply because they can pay for them.
They spend millions of dollars to buy Senators and Representatives in order to save hundreds of billions in liability.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:05 PM
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3. And do the male corps over 18 have to sign up
for Selective Service?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:07 PM
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4. corporate personhood has no legal integrity and many contradictions in the application
it needs to GO!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:07 PM
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5. Corporations are people, while humans are 3/5 of a person n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:07 PM
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6. .
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:07 PM
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7. Maybe it's like they have "dual citizenship"
Like Elizabeth Taylor was, except in this case it's both a corporation and a person and can enjoy the best of both worlds...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:08 PM
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8. I heart that idea!
Looks like a little crack in the facade that might be used to bring 'em down to a more reasonable level.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:11 PM
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9. Can't a lawsuit be brought up over something like this?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:13 PM
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10. That's a good question, we should ask Glenn Greenwald this one
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:14 PM
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11. To clarify.
Limited liability was put in place not to shield corporations but rather to shield the non corporate assets of investors in case the corporation or company went belly up.

If you own stock that is why your assets were not siezed when any of the companies in your portfolio were not siezed. The law was designed to protect smaller investors and to encourange them to invest.

Still somethings gotta change.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:15 PM
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14. Why should that be?


"Limited liability was put in place not to shield corporations but rather to shield the non corporate assets of investors in case the corporation or company went belly up."




If you invest money in an individual hoping for a profitable return, and the individual goes belly up and declares bankruptcy, you don't get your money back.

But giving added protection to investors of corporations insures that money will ultimately flow to corporations.

The first causalities will be individuals, but ultimately "We the People's" government will lose out as well.

So is the law really "designed to protect smaller investors" or to protect a dynamic insuring cash flow to corporations and indirectly oligarchs?

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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:22 PM
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12. is your issue that corps get limited liability
or that they are considered "people"?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:31 PM
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13. corporations are "persons", not "people" and "people" have bankruptcy protection, too
investors' liability in corporations are limited to 100% the funds they invested in the corporations.
the limits on liability for actual people is different, but in some states you can't lose your house, e.g., or your retirement funds, or certain other income streams.

the concept that corporations are "persons" has limited applicability, it's not a broad statement that they're equivalent to "people" in every last detail. they have rights to sue in court and so on. and now they have the right to engage in unfettered bribery of public officials.

corporation don't have more "rights" than people, they've been granted certain additional privileges by acts of congress, e.g., the ability to avoid taxes on brazillions of profits.


incidentally, anyone can create a corporation for the appropriate filing fee. you, too, can create a corporation and go buy a few public officials. you just need to find the funding for your corporation. but then, that's business!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:22 PM
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18. of course they have more rights than ordinary people. the big ones.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:18 PM
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15. And considering that money=free speech
I think that the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment should apply here.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:21 PM
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16. you don't get it - the point is to give the rich more power, not to be logical.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:22 PM
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17. People are granted limited liability all the time.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:23 PM by Statistical
What do you think limits on malpractice are?
Or laws that shield cops/officers of court from legal reprisal?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:28 PM
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19. A corporation's liability is UNlimited. The corporation could be sued into oblivion.
The people who own the corporation have their liability limited to their investment in it.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:03 PM
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20. Easy, all that's need is a corrupt corporatist congress beholden to monied corporate interests
:P
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:26 PM
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21. a.k.a. "Fascism"
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