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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:58 PM
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Doubt cast on many reports of food allergies
New study finds widespread overdiagnosis, misleading tests

"Many who think they have food allergies actually do not.

A new report, commissioned by the federal government, finds the field is rife with poorly done studies, misdiagnoses and tests that can give misleading results. "

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"For their report, Dr. Riedl and his colleagues reviewed all the papers they could find on food allergies published between January 1988 and September 2009 — more than 12,000 articles. In the end, only 72 met their criteria, which included having sufficient data for analysis and using more rigorous tests for allergic responses."


More:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37104569/ns/health-allergies_and_asthma/


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/suffer-food-allergies/story?id=10634044
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:00 PM
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1. Don't question scientists, have you even known them to be wrong?
And if you do question them, you are just ignorant and backwards... :evilgrin:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:11 PM
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4. Ha!
I thought scientist have proven everything that needs to be proven.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:26 PM
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7. It does not exist until they prove it exists, and even then sometimes it does not
And if they cannot prove it exists off hand they spend a lot of money to try and prove it.

God, ghosts, Neutrinos (oops), etc don't exist until they observe such things.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:43 PM
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11. Hmm.
So you're saying that scientists did not believe in neutrinos until they were proven to exist?

And the effort to prove they existed was misguided?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:06 PM
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28. Nope
Saying they believed they existed first and then attempted to prove it.

Kind of like other folks.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:28 PM
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8. My chiropractor told me my scisntist was wrong.
I say we trust the chiropractors. And homeopaths.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:19 PM
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29. Most "medicine"..
.. is about as close to science as I am to the moon.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:04 PM
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2. I have a neighbor that claims she has a gluten and other allergies
Because her chiropractor told her so. The same chiropractor once told her she was just out of adjustment and needed and alignment to fix her bladder infection.

If it's Airhead 101 woo woo medical, she believes it.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:08 PM
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3. How do you know he didn't do the blood tests that would determine
gluten sensitivity?

Gluten sensitivity isn't "woo woo medical." It's a serious and real condition.
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:17 PM
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5. There is no approved test for gluten sensitivity. There are tests
for celiac disease, however they are highly liable to false negatives also.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:09 PM
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17. I was referring to the blood tests for Celiac disease. If she tested positive
on them it is extremely likely she has a real problem with gluten.

There IS the possibility of "false negatives" on the tests -- however that means that the tests may UNDERSTATE, not overstate, the likelihood of a gluten sensitivity.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:27 PM
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34. even the (antibody) test for celiac disease isn't confirmatory.
biopsy is the confirmation.

what does gluten "sensitivity" mean?

it doesn't mean celiac disease.
it doesn't mean allergy.

what does it mean?

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:19 PM
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6. This is the same guy that put this box with colored lights on her arm
and came up with a list of "toxins" that needed to come out of her system. A spinal adjustment to cure a bladder infection should have been the tipoff.

In her case I stand by the woo woo claim.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:39 PM
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9. They'd be better off testing for the toxins in the food.
It's amazing how many people are allergic to the food they eat only because they're allergic to the man made chemicals the food supply has absorbed. And what goes into us eventually comes out--it's mutating the aquatic life, but we don't know what it's doing to us yet.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:42 PM
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10. Glad to see this getting some press. nt
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:48 PM
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12. My daughter is allergic to all nuts
both peanuts and what are called tree nuts -- walnuts, pecans, cashews, pistachios, etc.

If a piece of nut even touches her lips, the lips swell up, she gets hives, and is in danger of dying from anaphylaxis unless she gets an Epipen injection. In milder allergy attacks, she can apply liquid Benadryl to the location and take more orally.

Please don't try to tell her that her allergies don't exist. Even though she's careful, she's had a number of trips to hospital emergency rooms. Sometimes after exposure, she will have hives for weeks.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:03 PM
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14. There is a bit of difference between a medically tested and proven allergy
And people believing they have an allergy without any kind of proof.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:10 PM
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18. i have never been tested for my fish allergy
but when i eat fish, my throat constricts and i trouble breathing, and sometimes i get hives. same with brazil nuts. i carry an epi pen because of my allergies. if something makes you ill, you should have the common sense not to eat it whether or not you get tested.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:14 PM
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22. Exactly. If you get hives or asthma when you eat something, you don't need a blood
test to tell you the food isn't good for you.

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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:19 PM
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24. i mean really
the insistence of some on scientific verification vs. common sense is quite tiring. i would love to be able to eat fish, but i know that it makes me sick because: when i ate it made me sick. not exactly rocket science.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:12 PM
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21. If you eat something and within minutes have hives all over your face and mouth,
that's pretty strong proof.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:17 PM
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23. True
But when someone claims they have an allergy when they never exhibit symptoms, I suspect something else.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:00 PM
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13. Recommend
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:05 PM
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15. My lady thought she was allergic to strawberries
and got tested again. Either she's grown out of it, or never had it in the first place. Now, strawberries are one of her favorite foods.

I have the feeling that many people might be in the same boat, thinking they're allergic to something, but scientific testing would prove otherwise.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:11 PM
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19. You CAN grow out of allergies. My daughter used to get hives from strawberries,
but no longer does. However, she limits her intake because she doesn't want to develop a reaction in the future. She'd rather just enjoy them once in a while.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:12 PM
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20. i had the same allergy when i was younger
but it went away as i got older.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:10 PM
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25. Whatever it was
it's fun to watch her enjoy her strawberry margaritas! She also says she's 'allergic' to seafood, too bad for me, I love the stuff!
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 11:16 AM
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37. i am also allergic to fish
but not seafood. it is very annoying when people don't believe you have an allergy, btw.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:07 PM
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16. There was a story earlier this morning about the increase in peanut allergies.
"Peanut Allergy Cases Triple in 10 Years"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100513/sc_livescience/peanutallergycasestriplein10years

Their methodology: They called people on the phone and asked them if they were allergic. Doh! What kind of diagnostic standard is that?

Personally, I was VERY suspicious of that report. When "cases" TRIPLE in ten years you have to wonder where is the flaw in the study? Where they under-counted ten years ago, or are they being over-counted now? Or both? Triple in tens years is just not reasonable.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:36 PM
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27. How about the contaminated, moldy peanut factor in GA they closed down? n/t
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:28 PM
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26. It seemed fairly accurate in my case.
We already knew I was allergic to shellfish from having an anaphylactic shock reaction to popcorn shrimp at the age of 2. When I was skin-tested for a whole host of allergies in my late teens, for both foods and environmental allergens, the shellfish one swelled up to the size of one of those little Superballs. So given that the one for regular fish swelled up almost-but-not-quite as big, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to avoid all water-dwelling food animals.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:16 PM
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32. I'm glad you're being cautious! n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:26 PM
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30. K&R
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:20 PM
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31. a lot of this is semantics -- lay vs. expert definition of "allergy"
to an expert, an allergy is specifically a strong histiminic reaction, with specific symptoms such as hives, rash, swelling, and possible anaphylaxis.

but many lay people commonly use the word "allergy" to also cover what the article calls "intolerances", or food sensitivities, where the adverse reaction is not histiminic but may lead to symptoms such as diarrhea or migraine.

people who "merely" have food intolerances (me, for instances -- alcohol, vinegar, soy sauce, and msg can all produce migraine) can't take much solace in the fact that experts don't define this as an "allergic" reaction. it just means the experts have a different word for what in my case is a horrifically painful reaction to certain foods.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:19 PM
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33. Celiac disease is often still called a "gluten intolerance" even though the sufferers
produce antibodies that attack their own bodies, causing damage to the intestines and elsewhere. But it isn't a "classic" allergic reaction.

And having suffered the pain of lactose "intolerance" -- hard cramps that woke me up in the middle of the night -- no one is going to convince me that it matters whether I have an allergy or an intolerance to lactose.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:29 PM
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35. Free peanut butter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:33 PM
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36. My father said for years
he was allergic to garlic. He just wouldn't eat it because the Italians changed sides in the War.
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