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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:50 PM Original message |
Do too many people go to college? Maybe |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. I get tired with efforts to paint a college degree as the culmination of one's educational career. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. 26,000/yr current stats. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And how many of those w/degrees are currently employed? |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "employed in their field of study" is a chimera.... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Good question, glad you asked. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It's not the earnings that counts |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I will get my PhD next May and my student loan payment will |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Is the financial aid situation for PhDs much different than a Masters? |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Yes. Every student in my PhD program is financed through |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That's heartening. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. what field is this? |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Public Policy. nt |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Great. I'm going to UCLA for my MPP this fall. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Most people can't get that |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Interesting to see the minor benefit of master's over bachelors. nt |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. I'm Here To Tell You!!! nm |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. I don't know that I'd call 22% more "minor" |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. My field is about the degree, for better or worse |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. If you can't even get a job at all without a Master's... |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Not that you can't get a job in the field, but there's a pretty solid ceiling. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Excellent |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Well, I Have Masters |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Same here. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. But you know what? Money isn't everything. At least, it didn't used to be. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. It may not be everything but it sure helps. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Forest Management doesn't require an advanced degree? I beg to differ. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. It didn't used to and our forests did just fine. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Agree |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I hear you. |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. I have gone back to school |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'm starting to think that private college tuitions might be the next "bubble" to burst. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. nt |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think one important question is what is the modern equivalent of the "college experience" |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
60. hmmmm... is that worth 25K per year? nt |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Maybe not, and that's the question. My tuition at a top-notch state university was $50. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. If "college" solely meant "job-training", then, sure, go elsewhere. But there's supposed to be more. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. No kidding. College teaches you how to think, learn, and reason. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. That's an ideal, not the reality |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Are the life experiences worth the expense? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I wasn't speaking of the "life experiences" of some 20-yr-olds; I referred to our collective wisdom. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. So you need to go to college to attain wisdom? nt |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. as a university prof, I certainly do think too many people go to college... |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. College education gives you options after graduation. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Working retail w/a degree and paying on your student loans? |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. If they're working retail forever, then I'd say that we've got a bigger problem. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. There are few jobs to be had now, of any kind. Nice to live in a bubble, I see. n/t |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So in the context of our current conversation, what's your point? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. Listen. I did that fucking shit of going to school, getting "skills" |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I'm still not seeing what your point is. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. It's No Bubble |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. It is. The trouble is there aren't enough jobs for all these college graduates. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. True, but the solution is to make education either free or inexpensive. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. That's the key. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. bingo.... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. Agree 100% |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. The World Bank has a solution, and that's limit access to college |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. I would like to see citizens in all walks of life knowing more about biology, history, |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think a lot of confusion here comes from the idea that getting a job means you can't go to college |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. I worked 40 hours as a waiter while going to college full time. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. Related thread: Doubters say college isn't for everyone |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. I absolutely agree... nt |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yeah, too many people go to college |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. A significant amount of post high school education is to make up for crappy K-12 ed |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. I am not so sure about that |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. I think businesses need to reevaluate the real requirements of many jobs. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. You certainly have a point there. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
52. Higher education has benefits beyond the degree |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. I have 3 university degrees, yet I earn less than my auto mechanic! |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. I graduated with a degree in accounting. I am still working even though there is a recession. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
59. And Europe is doing so much better these days...? |
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MkapX (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
66. Bad investment |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. " a 4 year degree just isn't worth the dept" - yeah but |
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