Going in for treatment tommorrow

not me ... my computer.

I was working on the syllabus for one of my government classes and I thought I would run this by the multitudes ...



That's YOU!

Respect is given when earned, not just because someone thinks they deserve it.

However I agree being nice is the best approach, and always the first approach, and even second and third etc...

I also agree everyone has a right to an opinion, however commenting on an area you do not, or do agree with can seem like harsh comments to some people.

:D Enjoy the rest of the class, and get that homework in soon. :D




Just teasing a bit, maybe you should add that people should act respectfully to everyone that earns it, so they can earn being respected. Just an idea. And other concepts of how you treat other people is how a person usually gets treated.

Respect and being nice are different things, respect is a higher level of thought about a person. You can be nice to people you do not respect, and should in almost all occasions.

can be used in different ways. So, as we would say in court, I respectfully disagree:

I think we all should respect the right of others to have a different opinion. We don't have to respect the opinion, or even the person, but we should, in a civil society, respect that right.

Of course, that is my opinion and, well, see the previous statement.

I do, however, believe that we all ought to act in such a way that a minimum of respect (at tne least)is due us on account of our actions.

In my class, I make the rules ... all of which flow from the respect that one person should show another in this manner.

I also feel that "good actions" even "good intentions" should be respected.

The action of seeking an education, going to college, the effort required to do so, all should be respected.

I am more inclined to give respect as a matter of civility and good will and then to take it away if there is cause ~ a bad action, a bad intention. And in that I include such negligence toward the value of actions or intentions as would classify them as "naked." Such a "naked act" ( i.e., clothed by neither a good nor bad intention.) would, for instance, be not caring for the plight of others, lack of empathy, etc.

Until one of those is indicated to me, I owe a modicum of respect to that individual ~ for the sake of civil society. You might even say that the respect is due to the civil society. I think that is one of the bits of social capital that make a civil society work.

More than this mere modicum of respect we all ought to display would, as you note, have to be earned.

You might not agree with my use of the word, or you might feel that some oter word better describes this concept, but I hope you see where I am coming from.

But there is a difference in earning respect and showing respect.

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Even in that context that respect should be earned.




I think we all should respect the right of others to have a different opinion. We don't have to respect the opinion, or even the person, but we should, in a civil society, respect that right.

Agreed, but civility is not the only response to someone that has a different opinion, if that opinion is translated into actions in society that is not respectful to concepts within a persons opinion of what is best for society.



In my class, I make the rules ... all of which flow from the respect that one person should show another in this manner.
I understand that concept, it is a claim to power, but must be earned, which is one of the issues of student teacher situations, it is a power hierarchy, and most students are expected to bend to the ideas of the teacher, but if a teacher is incorrect in action or thought, then a student should disagree, if the teachers action is bad for society, then even uncivil or disrespectful disagreement would be required.

The basic premise is a demand for respect and a setting of teacher student relationship with claim to authority by the teacher, that assumes the teacher should have that authority, I think most learning is actual student to student where many times one of the students is the teacher, but because of having good ideals, is respected enough to teach more often. But if the teacher is wrong, then he is replaced even if by the requirement of uncivil action, but that depends on perception of what is right and what is wrong.

So I would say a student should show civility and respect, unless he can show with argument, and that argument is ignored but not shown to be wrong. In the case where a civil argument is ignored without rebuttal, then civility is not serving its purpose and other methods outside of civil discussion become necessary. If argument in civil form is ignored, that does not mean a person should except what he sees as wrong, and was not countered by civil argument.

Many times uncivil people ask civility of others while they are not civil. A broken system will say that people should be civil, while they act in broken ways that are not civil by many examples, in that case rules applied back occur. I think on a quote, "if there are no rules, you have to train the whole body". In cases where civility is not given, but then is asked for, that is an imbalance.

I also feel that "good actions" even "good intentions" should be respected.
agreed.

The action of seeking an education, going to college, the effort required to do so, all should be respected.
If the education is in better things, and the intent to learn is for better reasons, some people want to learn worse ideas for worse reasons, so again even that has to be earned.

I am more inclined to give respect as a matter of civility and good will and then to take it away if there is cause ~ a bad action, a bad intention. And in that I include such negligence toward the value of actions or intentions as would classify them as "naked." Such a "naked act" ( i.e., clothed by neither a good nor bad intention.) would, for instance, be not caring for the plight of others, lack of empathy, etc.
Naked has many meanings, but I agree caring for others and empathy is respectful. Naked could also be said to be in a state not requiring covering. But I understand your use of that term in that method.

Until one of those is indicated to me, I owe a modicum of respect to that individual ~ for the sake of civil society. You might even say that the respect is due to the civil society. I think that is one of the bits of social capital that make a civil society work.
Again, if a society is mutually civil, then it works, but in many cases the arguments on one side of the discussion made with civility are ignored, at that point the side that ignores without countering arguments no longer has earned civility since it was abused by not acting within that system. One of the concepts of civil society is also to accurately react to a good argument made with good intent. If such a thing is ignored, then a person is not acting civil, and yet may want civil action in return only because civil on one side of an argument is imbalance.


As an example, two people in a room, one is stealing non stop, the other person makes the argument that the stealing is wrong, and shows that in a civil way. The crook ignores the argument and keeps stealing. When the crook is restrained he then says that the person stopping him should be civil, but the restrainer was, and the crook ignored it. It is the police concept of accelerating force with the actions of the criminal. civility is a method of communication, but when ignored by one side, the other side has to accelerate its action and not just stay civil to maintain balance.



More than this mere modicum of respect we all ought to display would, as you note, have to be earned.

You might not agree with my use of the word, or you might feel that some oter word better describes this concept, but I hope you see where I am coming from.

But there is a difference in earning respect and showing respect.

I do enjoy your comments. and do not mean disrespect in discussing the topic.



I think your basic premise includes that your actions as a teacher will be in a form to earn respect and in a civil fashion, so from that you have the thought that their should be civility and respect in your class. If it is true that in your situation you earn respect and act in civil ways, then that makes sense. But your comment has the assumption that you will be civil and earn respect, I would think that the comment of requiring respect should not come from claim of authority, but by the teacher explaining how he would act with civil ways also, and showing that is the way the teacher acts.

So instead of claim of authority as why, it could be said that the reason will be because the teacher will act in those ways also. Your comment is more a demand not a reason if it says people should respect others, and not explain how the teacher will earn respect.

Many times when someone transitions to believing they already earned respect, and from that claim authority, they forget that every action must continue to earn respect. So claim of authority can be an excuse to not act respectful or civil, yet demand that action back from a person, which is imbalance, and one reason authority has to be earned by action every day, not from past claims of action in my view.


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minute, but a quick look leads me to believe that we actually agree more than we disagree...even if we come at it differently in spots.

I do enjoy your comments. and do not mean disrespect in discussing the topic.
thank you . And I yours. The little philosopher in me tells me that this may be one of the most important things we do: discuss philosophy and ethics.

Also my comments earlier were sort of "on the fly" , as it were ... so I might be able to state it better on reflection.

This is a great discussion ... and I respect that ... seriously

Would it be useful to give a little more detail, gleaned from some web pages on effective arguing, discussion, or advocacy?

such as:

Rule 1 - "Be careful about how you use I and you - remember you are discussing the opinion or argument, not whether the you or the other person is right or wrong".

Rule 2 - "Remember you are using an electronic medium. You will not have the cues that we get when we talk face to face and people might get their feelings hurt if you violate Rule 1".

Rule 3 - Make sure you have some evidence for your facts, or identify it as an opinion.

Don't want to get too complicated but some may not know how to avoid personalizing arguments.

my slightly lesss than 2 cents worth...

like that, specific to the general rules for assignments.

Thanks.


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